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The word "empathy" has a somewhat eerie ring to it, as if it were a magical capability. At least in its most common understanding as "the ability to feel what another person feels".

Fun fact: that's impossible. You can never be sure what another person is feeling, because you are not that person. They, and only they, are the sole authority on their feelings.

Instead, I choose to understand empathy as opening up to the fullest extent possible: removing all filters, prejudices and opinions, listening to what another person has to say, and being with them in a mindful way.

As Marshall Rosenberg puts it: “Empathy: emptying our mind and listening with our whole being.”

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Having witnessed many cases of individuals who help the poor, donate to cancer/heart patients and then turn on a dime and advocate the carpet bombing of rebel held civilian areas, I'm starting to feel empathy is not the issue. The empathy circuits are intact in most human beings. The problem is dehumanization . Empathy is proportional to how "human" we perceive someone/something to be. We experience the most empathy…

I would disagree. The problem is the unnatural, ever expanding range of concern for the entire human population as it increases and as things globalise. We in general get no additional happiness from remote billions of people and only added risks and concerns. It is hardly surprising that the natural empathy capacity is being exceeded. Worse the limited amount we do have is manipulated. As remote concerns are selecti…

I once had this thought myself. Our brains evolved to deal with social grouping of a few dozen individuals at most. Now it's being heavily taxed -- not only do we have to remember and deal with hundreds of individuals, we're no longer just comparing ourselves against others in our tribe/village, but the entire world. And the amount of rules and social conventions that need to be followed are numerous, and the pace of society is breakneck.

I'd like to see a study done to see if this is the cause of the rising levels of mental health issues (or is it just more and more diagnoses)? Whenever I hear a report of someone shooting, stabbing or driving a vehicle into random strangers, I wonder whether it is someone who's been broken by the size, speed and complexity of modern life.

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Paul Graham had a lot of interesting observations about empathy in his 2003 essay "Hackers and Painters": Like painting, most software is intended for a human audience. And so hackers, like painters, must have empathy to do really great work. You have to be able to see things from the user's point of view. When I was a kid I was always being told to look at things from someone else's point of view. What this always m…

I find it interesting how many varying definitions for empathy I'm seeing in this thread. I always thought of empathy to specifically be "feeling oriented", not simply taking someone else's perspective. Not saying anyone is wrong here, seems like we have yet to fully come to a consensus on what the word empathy really means.

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Having witnessed many cases of individuals who help the poor, donate to cancer/heart patients and then turn on a dime and advocate the carpet bombing of rebel held civilian areas, I'm starting to feel empathy is not the issue. The empathy circuits are intact in most human beings. The problem is dehumanization . Empathy is proportional to how "human" we perceive someone/something to be. We experience the most empathy…

I serendipitously came across this example just now: https://twitter.com/abhishek_mshra/status/987275672543358976

"Cancelled @Olacabs Booking because Driver was Muslim. I don't want to give my money to Jihadi People."

Most of the replies in the subsequent thread is in support of the original poster.

Re: What is empathy?

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Empathy isn't the ability to say "I understand." Empathy is admitting that, sometimes, you don't understand, but you'll still try and be appropriately supportive.

That's sympathy. You're thinking of sympathy. Not empathy.

There is a picture from Psychology Today. I think it explained the difference between sympathy and empathy clearly.

> "Sympathy: I care about your suffering." > "Empathy: I feel your suffering."

The difference is empathy means knowing the other side's feeling but doesn't mean concerning the other side's feeling.

https://cdn.psychologytoday.com/us/sites/default/files/style...

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Having witnessed many cases of individuals who help the poor, donate to cancer/heart patients and then turn on a dime and advocate the carpet bombing of rebel held civilian areas, I'm starting to feel empathy is not the issue. The empathy circuits are intact in most human beings. The problem is dehumanization . Empathy is proportional to how "human" we perceive someone/something to be. We experience the most empathy…

I agree to this as people are duty bound. In moral philosophy, it's argued by some that obligation is of higher moral value than pure empathy, as you don't emotionally feel anything but do what is your duty. Most people adhere to rule based ethics in which the law is imperative. But Law paves the way for carpet bombing within a framework of ethics. Bombing the rule breakers. As for family relation stuff this is called the Price equation. For me empathy is just a form of guilt. So still relates to the self. You don't do bad as you don't want to feel guilty. I therefore constantly have to learn right from wrong on a social or interpersonal level. But I think some people may experience it differently. Those who lack these Lamarkian tools are defined as sociopathic, but it can be expedient. Napolean would be a good character to debate on this topic.

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Having witnessed many cases of individuals who help the poor, donate to cancer/heart patients and then turn on a dime and advocate the carpet bombing of rebel held civilian areas, I'm starting to feel empathy is not the issue. The empathy circuits are intact in most human beings. The problem is dehumanization . Empathy is proportional to how "human" we perceive someone/something to be. We experience the most empathy…

I agree to this as people are duty bound. In moral philosophy, it's argued by some that obligation is of higher moral value than pure empathy, as you don't emotionally feel anything but do what is your duty. Most people adhere to rule based ethics in which the law is imperative. But Law paves the way for carpet bombing within a framework of ethics. Bombing the rule breakers. As for family relation stuff this is calle…

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1Evwgu369Jw

I used to think I had empathy. I mean, when I see someone being taken advantage of, I tear up immediately. Until one day my mentor straight up told me “you have no empathy.” Which didn’t really bother me, since I’m pretty sure I’m not a sociopath. (Though that probably wouldn’t bother me either, by definition.) Watching that video made me realize that what I usually feel is sympathy. I think I’ve been so fortunate (o…

I'd say you have more empathy than compassion. I think it's a good thing. I myself have much more compassion than empathy and I am working on sorting things out to be more empathic than compassionate.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used to think I had empathy. I mean, when I see someone being taken advantage of, I tear up immediately. Until one day my mentor straight up told me “you have no empathy.” Which didn’t really bother me, since I’m pretty sure I’m not a sociopath. (Though that probably wouldn’t bother me either, by definition.) Watching that video made me realize that what I usually feel is sympathy. I think I’ve been so fortunate (o…

I believe that nobody can “have” empathy. Putting yourself in someone else’s shoes is still you who’s in their shoes. It’s just impossible to share the same emotions as someone if you’ve lived a different life, different experiences. When we see a teen yelling, “You don’t understand!”, we really don’t understand even when we were teens ourselves. I’m not a huge fan of the word because I think the first step to true c…

The field of communication and information (in humanities) has covered a lot of ground about that. Of course we can't inject our thoughts directly into someone else's brain and vice-versa.

If two things have the same properties, there's truly only one thing.

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The word "empathy" has a somewhat eerie ring to it, as if it were a magical capability. At least in its most common understanding as "the ability to feel what another person feels". Fun fact: that's impossible. You can never be sure what another person is feeling, because you are not that person. They, and only they, are the sole authority on their feelings. Instead, I choose to understand empathy as opening up to th…

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The word "empathy" has a somewhat eerie ring to it, as if it were a magical capability. At least in its most common understanding as "the ability to feel what another person feels".

> Fun fact: that's impossible. You can never be sure what another person is feeling, because you are not that person. They, and only they, are the sole authority on their feelings.

That's because that definition of empathy is wrong and distorted to almost be a synonym of telepathy.

A twentieth-century borrowing from Ancient Greek ἐμπάθεια (empátheia, literally “passion”) (formed from ἐν (en, “in, at”) + πάθος (páthos, “feeling”)), coined by Edward Bradford Titchener to translate German Einfühlung.

Identification with or understanding of the thoughts, feelings, or emotional state of another person. ex: She had a lot of empathy for her neighbor; she knew what it was like to lose a parent too.

> Instead, I choose to understand empathy as opening up to the fullest extent possible: removing all filters, prejudices and opinions, listening to what another person has to say, and being with them in a mindful way.

That's active or good listening but being with them in their emotional state (whatever that means) isn't yet the definition of trying to understand how they feel and how they think about the topic at hand. Emptying yourself means you can't rely on your own life experience to better understand the other one. (Not a fan of how Rosenberg rephrased that though non violent communication is really useful in some settings while in otheres you have to act upon feelings being conveyed to you).

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