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Re: Coinbase blocks WikiLeaks Shop

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Post by jarfil »

darawk wrote: post #28
fareesh wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if Satan himself proved he was real and aided Wikileaks by publishing true information, I'd be all for it. What's being suggested is that they selectively publish true information by not publishing certain things that don't suit a particular agenda. This accusation is being asserted without evidence, and can therefore be dismissed without evidence.

> This accusation is being asserted without evidence, and can therefore be dismissed without evidence. What? There's plenty of evidence. Wikileaks consistently published information damaging to Hillary Clinton in the run-up to the election, and published zero information damaging to Trump.

Unless you can prove that WikiLeaks received some information damaging to Trump and then REFUSED to publish it, all you're saying is that nobody sent them such information.

Re: Coinbase blocks WikiLeaks Shop

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Post by paulgb »

trumped wrote: post #39
sp0rk wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Now what they do is that they bring the servers down when it happens. That's a pretty bold allegation. Do you have any evidence that this is the case.

No. It was just such a common occurrence that I could not come to a different conclusion. If you need many examples, look for Reddit threads that talk about Coinbase created right after Bitcoin dips.

Alternative Hanlon's razor hypothesis: the system gets an abnormal amount of traffic during large price swings and they can't cope with the demand.

Re: Coinbase blocks WikiLeaks Shop

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Post by sneak »

acdha wrote: post #37
sneak wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“hostile intelligence service” here being used as a euphemism for “a journalist publishing secrets we don’t want published”.

Wikileaks are not journalists and they do not follow e.g. journalistic ethics. They've done unprofessional things like posting anti-semitic statements[1] and bizarre things like doxing most of the women in Turkey[2] or posting sensitive information about people who've been victims of rape, suffer from mental illnesses, or are gay in countries where that's a big risk. That's all politically neutral and completely outs…

“actively ignored” is a high burden of proof for an accusation against someone who is in prison.

Wikileaks has been openly critical of Russia and its administrators for some time.

Most of what you’re positing is simply your opinion about their (possible) motives, not an issue with their actual actions.

Expecting full editorial capability (eg PII redaction) from someone imprisoned indefinitely without trial (inb4 “but he could walk out and face the same unfair trial and torture that Manning did!”) is complete lunacy.

You don’t personally get to decide who does or does not qualify as a journalist, thankfully. As someone who dislikes the warmongering and totalitarian democratic party exactly as much as the warmongering and totalitarian republican party, I found their releases to be a tremendous public service, as did millions of others.

“These people that I don’t like aren’t releasing enough factual data about the other people I don’t like whilst releasing factual data about these people I do like” is not a condemnation. It is a (relatively unimportant) opinion.

Re: Coinbase blocks WikiLeaks Shop

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Post by wybiral »

fareesh wrote: post #22
roywiggins wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"It is time to call out WikiLeaks for what it really is – a non-state hostile intelligence service often abetted by state actors like Russia. In January of this year, our Intelligence Community determined that Russian military intelligence—the GRU—had used WikiLeaks to release data of US victims that the GRU had obtained through cyber operations against the Democratic National Committee. And the report also found tha…

Even if Satan himself proved he was real and aided Wikileaks by publishing true information, I'd be all for it. What's being suggested is that they selectively publish true information by not publishing certain things that don't suit a particular agenda. This accusation is being asserted without evidence, and can therefore be dismissed without evidence.

But it's still important to be aware of the bias in a source.

Supposed I'm biased against you and I report that you hacked into Bob's computer and I have evidence to prove it. I paint that to make you look like some kind of cyber villain and neglect to report the important fact that Bob asked you to do it.

If the reader knows about my bias towards you then they know to take my reporting with a grain of salt because even if it is true, it might not be the whole story.

Re: Coinbase blocks WikiLeaks Shop

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Post by trumped »

paulgb wrote: post #42
trumped wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. It was just such a common occurrence that I could not come to a different conclusion. If you need many examples, look for Reddit threads that talk about Coinbase created right after Bitcoin dips.

Alternative Hanlon's razor hypothesis: the system gets an abnormal amount of traffic during large price swings and they can't cope with the demand.

Sure, maybe, but if you have been aware of the issue for a year and it's still going on 2 years later it might be considered just a good excuse... How often do you get that problem trading stocks?

Re: Coinbase blocks WikiLeaks Shop

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Post by IncRnd »

roywiggins wrote: post #17
Retroity wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't worry guys, the DNC said so, so it must be true!

"It is time to call out WikiLeaks for what it really is – a non-state hostile intelligence service often abetted by state actors like Russia. In January of this year, our Intelligence Community determined that Russian military intelligence—the GRU—had used WikiLeaks to release data of US victims that the GRU had obtained through cyber operations against the Democratic National Committee. And the report also found tha…

Do you recall what precipitated the invasion of Iraq?

Re: Coinbase blocks WikiLeaks Shop

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Post by belorn »

darawk wrote: post #28
fareesh wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if Satan himself proved he was real and aided Wikileaks by publishing true information, I'd be all for it. What's being suggested is that they selectively publish true information by not publishing certain things that don't suit a particular agenda. This accusation is being asserted without evidence, and can therefore be dismissed without evidence.

> This accusation is being asserted without evidence, and can therefore be dismissed without evidence. What? There's plenty of evidence. Wikileaks consistently published information damaging to Hillary Clinton in the run-up to the election, and published zero information damaging to Trump.

Assange intention has been rather clear after the statement Hillary gave as the Secretary of State during cablegate and the involvement of US diplomats in the Swedish investigation. I don't get it why people think that he is supposed to be unbiased in his view of her and trump.

What is a normal reaction to be publicly declared a murderer and enemy combatant (with an implied statement to be droned) for publishing documents from people involved in the US military that wanted to give the public information? In the context of what he perceive she has done against him, what is the likeliest outcome if he comes into contact with damaging information and a request to publish it? "No thank you, only if you provide equally damaging information on her opponent or else it will look bad?".

Re: Coinbase blocks WikiLeaks Shop

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Post by bdcravens »

matt4077 wrote: post #5

Fun to see how bitcoin has come full circle in reinventing everything its cheerleaders initially railed against: fraud, then centralization, regulation, and now “censorship”. I guess the lesson here should be about the primacy of law, and how you won’t succeed in using technology to undermine it.

This is a Bitcoin service provider, not Bitcoin, in the same way that Paypal!=USD.

Re: Coinbase blocks WikiLeaks Shop

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Post by wybiral »

roywiggins wrote: post #21
matt4077 wrote: post #5

Fun to see how bitcoin has come full circle in reinventing everything its cheerleaders initially railed against: fraud, then centralization, regulation, and now “censorship”. I guess the lesson here should be about the primacy of law, and how you won’t succeed in using technology to undermine it.

It's not really Bitcoin's fault that people are using Coinbase. But the fact is, there's always a price to decentralization. Centralized services are fast and can be cheaper! It's not a huge surprise that something that seems bulky and annoying to deal with has sprouted companies like Coinbase.

How do you convert non-bitcoin currency into bitcoin without a trusted entity?

If masses are expected to do so then there will likely be a sort of centralized "trusted few".

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