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Google changes its messaging strategy again: Goodbye to Allo, double down on RCS

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Re: Google changes its messaging strategy again: Goodbye to Allo, double down on RCS

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Post by wyldfire »

exabrial wrote: post #87

The carriers are idiots. It's where innovation goes to die. We had to pull them kicking and screaming into the smart phone and data era. (Remember When AT&T sent a paper copy of every image you downloaded on your iPhone in a bill?) Quite frankly the core problem with Google's strategy is involving then at all. Instead, go the manufacturers and campaign against supporting sms at all . It's insecure, slow, unreliable,…

> The carriers are idiots.

For decades, ISPs/cell networks' biggest fear is becoming "dumb pipes". But they all seem to land there eventually.

Re: Google changes its messaging strategy again: Goodbye to Allo, double down on RCS

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Post by mistermann »

SubNoize wrote: post #107
elvirs wrote: post #94

Its shocking how Google is embarrassing itself with these incompatible chat apps released one after another and abandoned right after the release. GTalk Gmail Chat Google Voice Hangouts Android Messages Allo Duo for fucks sake Google, just copy Whatsapp but make it stored on cloud, not on the device, like FB Messenger. Enable account recovery using email in addition to sms and enable usernames or email in addition ph…

that + a desktop client/web app is all anyone wishes for, how can they be do blind and stupid.

It never ceases to amaze me how blatantly incompetent Google is when it comes to software, blind and stupid is not hyperbole, the proper thing to do here is absolutely crystal clear, users are begging for it (I know, I've googled trying to find a desktop solution that works and doesn't cost $5/month ffs), and they just keep releasing pieces of crap over and over. It's hard to believe this is real life sometimes.

Re: Google changes its messaging strategy again: Goodbye to Allo, double down on RCS

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

tosh wrote: post #119

Great example of how expensive it becomes over time to name (almost) every product you create "Brand" + x. Google is eroding trust in its product offering & regularly adding an adoption handicap to their whole product portfolio. P&G, Unilever et al know this. I'd expect the software companies to learn from the challenges of the "supermarket"-era brands.

The tradeoff:

- Add "Google" before the name any product announcement, and it's sure to be front page news[1].

- Shutdown any product with "Google" before the name, and it's sure to be front page news.

[1]You can especially see this effect when a random Googler publishes a random project, but it's under github.com/google/ because it was done at work. Even if it's not "a Google product", it'll shoot up to the top of HN.

Re: Google changes its messaging strategy again: Goodbye to Allo, double down on RCS

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Post by moksha256 »

Didn't Google have messaging figured out with Google Talk? Everyone was on Gmail all day (as many still are) and people actually used it.

Then they let it wither, came out with Hangouts, and it's been a downhill train wreck from there.

Google Talk had the potential of being one of the biggest messengers in the world...they own Gmail and Android (!!!!!). Are you kidding me? There's really no good reason for them NOT to be in a hugely dominant position here.

But instead they screwed it up & left a gaping hole in the marketplace.

Re: Google changes its messaging strategy again: Goodbye to Allo, double down on RCS

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Post by vetinari »

blibble wrote: post #126
vetinari wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unreliable in the sense, that it is on the discretion of the network, whether it will drop your message somewhere in transit, without letting you know. Just like UDP.

SMS supports delivery notifications, I think I've been using them for almost, if not 20 years I get a little display under the message saying 'delivered' in the standard android SMS app

That's another message that may or may not be lost, if it is checked at all.

I've got my lesson about SMS reliability few years ago: I've bought a bus ticket via SMS, it was never delivered, but I got charged for it and the operator claimed that it was sent, when disputed. Except I've never received it, and couldn't ride the bus without it.

Re: Google changes its messaging strategy again: Goodbye to Allo, double down on RCS

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Post by WhyNotHugo »

mynameisvlad wrote: post #98
elvirs wrote: post #94

Its shocking how Google is embarrassing itself with these incompatible chat apps released one after another and abandoned right after the release. GTalk Gmail Chat Google Voice Hangouts Android Messages Allo Duo for fucks sake Google, just copy Whatsapp but make it stored on cloud, not on the device, like FB Messenger. Enable account recovery using email in addition to sms and enable usernames or email in addition ph…

Google Voice and Duo are not messaging apps. GTalk, Hangouts, and GMail Chat are the same thing at different iterations and were therefore fully compatible with one another. If you're going to criticize Google for this, at least be correct when doing it.

No, GTalk was XMPP-compatible and federated, Hangouts was siloed.

So non-google XMPP users could speak to GTalk users, but not Hangouts users.

Re: Google changes its messaging strategy again: Goodbye to Allo, double down on RCS

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Post by cbhl »

blibble wrote: post #126
vetinari wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unreliable in the sense, that it is on the discretion of the network, whether it will drop your message somewhere in transit, without letting you know. Just like UDP.

SMS supports delivery notifications, I think I've been using them for almost, if not 20 years I get a little display under the message saying 'delivered' in the standard android SMS app

Sometimes carriers will send a "delivered" even though it only made it as far as a cell tower (and not an actual phone)

Re: Google changes its messaging strategy again: Goodbye to Allo, double down on RCS

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Post by dx034 »

elvirs wrote: post #94

Its shocking how Google is embarrassing itself with these incompatible chat apps released one after another and abandoned right after the release. GTalk Gmail Chat Google Voice Hangouts Android Messages Allo Duo for fucks sake Google, just copy Whatsapp but make it stored on cloud, not on the device, like FB Messenger. Enable account recovery using email in addition to sms and enable usernames or email in addition ph…

I like the Whatsapp solution. Why does it have to be stored on cloud? Web interface with Whatsapp Web (via phone) works well.

Re: Google changes its messaging strategy again: Goodbye to Allo, double down on RCS

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Post by Piskvorrr »

untog wrote: post #112
polskibus wrote: post #16

Long time ago, Google chat supported XMPP. Later on that support has been cut off. How do they expect people to trust this statement: "We don’t believe in taking the approach that Apple does. We are fundamentally an open ecosystem. We believe in working with partners. We believe in working with our OEMs to be able to deliver a great experience,” ?

> How do they expect people to trust this statement Because they're using an open, industry-created standard. It certainly isn't in their interests to do so (unless Apple also adopts it, which... we'll see)

Right. Embracing the open standards - like they did previously (e.g. with GTalk), and then suddenly..."oh look, we've improved the standard, and we're not publishing our extended version. It's so much greater, but only works with this one client, made by us - what a coincidence."

Gee, I wonder where I saw this pattern before...nope, it's not like they're going to exterminate their Official Blessed Client once they tire of it, 18 months from now.

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