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The AI Revolution Hasn’t Happened Yet

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A related talk that Michael Jordan gave at a machine learning conference called Sys ML last month. https://youtu.be/4inIBmY8dQI

To anyone upset by MJ's Medium post, please watch the video. It's a much better representation of his thoughts on the current state of machine learning than the blog post.

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I'm not an AI researcher (although from my internet reading that's not a hard title to claim ;)) but I feel that ML/DL can't go much farther than they already have. The concept of "we just need more power" is an obvious fallacy to me.

Agreed. Throwing more computing power at the problem is a cheap way to make it look like we're making progress; our AI should be efficient enough to run on limited hardware. Not to say that ML/DL isn't useful, but I think that whatever the next revolution is in AI is likely to come from a completely different direction.

I'm not a researcher either, so it's difficult for me to articulate exactly what problems I see, but (shameless self plug) I did write an article a little while ago attempting to: https://medium.com/@danShumway/modern-ai-techniques-arent-wo...

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Humans are proof that machine intelligence can be improved quite a bit. We are just complicated machines, no?

I'm specifically talking about the strategies used in Deep / Machine learning to approximate intelligence through probability.

Wait, how is that actually different than what our brains do? From what I know, our cognitive system is built in quite a similar fashion of probabilistic pattern matching with backpropagation, coupled with some "ad-hoc" heuristic subsystems.

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Where is the end game? The problem with this kind of AI revolution is that it relies on data about us. And this is responsible for the feverish attitude towards collecting or scraping data, sometimes from the public domain, but more than usually, from us. I for one, am having none of it.

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I'm not an AI researcher (although from my internet reading that's not a hard title to claim ;)) but I feel that ML/DL can't go much farther than they already have. The concept of "we just need more power" is an obvious fallacy to me.

Why don't you think it will continue to progress?

I am of a similar opinion. There was a real revolution in ~2011-2013 with deep learning. These have achieved much better results in image/speech tasks. These gains have leveled off, and we're seeing some limitations.

At current trajectory, we're not headed towards a general intelligence. Progress has been made, but there are big gaps. Smart home devices are a great case in point. They are somewhat flexible in the voice commands they accept. Specific phrasing and pronunciation are not necessarily required. Their responses and speech, however, are all pre-programmed and templated by humans.

Edit: There is potential for more breakthroughs in the future, but I am not seeing them on the horizon at the moment.

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The biggest challenge yet unconquered is getting your "average" business ($1-100m revenue, zero AI knowledge) using ML to help with literally anything they do . I'd wager less than 1% of businesses outside of SV even have a clue where to begin, or what to use it for, my employer included. "Do we hire some AI guys?" We'll need to crack the 1%-using-it mark for me to consider the revolution "begun"...

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The biggest challenge yet unconquered is getting your "average" business ($1-100m revenue, zero AI knowledge) using ML to help with literally anything they do . I'd wager less than 1% of businesses outside of SV even have a clue where to begin, or what to use it for, my employer included. "Do we hire some AI guys?" We'll need to crack the 1%-using-it mark for me to consider the revolution "begun"...

> The biggest challenge yet unconquered is getting your "average" business ($1-100m revenue, zero AI knowledge) using ML to help with literally anything they do.

Does the AI which can help with literally everything a business does exist? That sounds rather general purpose and extremely open-ended.

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I'm not an AI researcher (although from my internet reading that's not a hard title to claim ;)) but I feel that ML/DL can't go much farther than they already have. The concept of "we just need more power" is an obvious fallacy to me.

I agree. In fact, I don't like the term Artificial Intelligence. It kind of implies that we understand what intelligence is, thereby able to emulate it. In my opinion, it is not the trait of an advanced species to attempt to create something that we cannot adequately describe.

I mean, all these "structures" and algorithms that people create in software, each a little different than the last, each with different performance/result trade offs. But nobody actually understands the fundamentals as to what is behind some of the very impressive results we are seeing (due to the technology allowing us to throw computing horsepower at it).

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I’ve been finding it difficult to find concrete examples of where AI is useful. Suggestion engines? Alg optimization? What would be something my parents would recognize that is being helped by AI?

The key is to not think about it too much. Your "logic" has no place here. Anyway, once the revolution hits your parents are gonna have those autonomous microwaves and self-cooling doctorbots they've been craving. The future is very, very, very bright.
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