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Facebook to change user terms, limiting effect of EU privacy law

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Re: Facebook to change user terms, limiting effect of EU privacy law

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It would be corporate malpractice if they were not to do that, this way they limit their exposure to the exuberant fines and any other unintended consequences of this anti-american piece of legislation.

It is not anti-American (its not all about you ), its pro-privacy.

Next this guy is going to say countries building armies to protect themselves is anti american because it doesn't let US companies take all their natural resources.

Re: Facebook to change user terms, limiting effect of EU privacy law

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I think you're understating how much of this law is about EU resentment of US tech companies' mindshare and marketshare.

We need a domestic version of GDPR with penalties just as severe. GDPR is a much-needed godsend for privacy.

We should protect our companies or at the very least not harm them.

Re: Facebook to change user terms, limiting effect of EU privacy law

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I don't use Facebook, but could one build a service that automatically sets Facebook's privacy settings to sensible options? A large part of the problem is that changing these through the web site is painful in the extreme. I suppose I'm asking if their API provides read/write access to privacy settings. If so, there's a big opportunity here. More generally, I'd like to see governments mandate that all FB user's priv…

Part of the problem is how often they change the privacy model, from what I gather. So the API and/or any integrations would have to support those recurring changes.

Not a frequent user of FB, though I still have a profile.

Re: Facebook to change user terms, limiting effect of EU privacy law

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We need a domestic version of GDPR with penalties just as severe. GDPR is a much-needed godsend for privacy.

We should protect our companies or at the very least not harm them.

Companies which abuse the public trust so severely and unethically should be forced to shape up or fined into the ground.

Re: Facebook to change user terms, limiting effect of EU privacy law

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Privacy rights are well protected as it is, despite what the technophobic anti-corporate maximalists would argue, this law is about limiting and controlling what american companies can do on their platforms, it limits research and puts a roadblock in front of every data point with the threat of unconscionable fines on worldwide revenue which shouldn't be allowed under international treaties.

> Privacy rights are well protected as it is Yes, the US regulations protecting our privacy rights are well-known, which is why the current Cambridge Analytica scandal couldn't happen, and triggered all sorts of... what's that? In fact, we have no privacy protections whatsoever? Oh.

The cam-anal (tehe) thing is about the press hyping and exaggerating a nothing story to hurt a competitor i.e facebook.

Re: Facebook to change user terms, limiting effect of EU privacy law

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Zuckerberg went to Congress and told them Facebook would support GDPR, as if the only thing GDPR is are just some controls you'd do at the user interface level (and as we learned today, that they're attempting to get around with dark pattern designs [1]). GDPR is much more comprehensive than that, but most importantly it gives data privacy regulators real teeth to enforce with (fines up to 4% of global revenue). The…

Why would the US congress want Facebook to go out of their way to maximise their liability to a piece of legislation intended to cripple US corporations and supplement EU budgets with US corporate profits?! Congress should convene a hearing about how current and incoming EU laws are thinly veiled protectionism against US corporations and what should be done about it.

I've posted this before, I'll post it again:

I wonder if you know that the US passed legislation a few weeks back that lets the US government request any data on any user of an American company even if that user and their data are not on American soil. (Possibly thanks to GDPR) companies may object to that request if it contradicts local laws.

But yeah. Go on pretending that the EU lives to target American companies. From a European's point of view, American companies are not fined enough as they view privacy, data, sovereignty etc. as some abstract concepts that don't apply to them.

Re: Facebook to change user terms, limiting effect of EU privacy law

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>... all of which are targeting US companies. Clearly not true, but exquisite in the context of the FB factory dodging tax via the Irish loopholes, and now moving away from Ireland as a base.

I don't know what a "factory dodging tax" is but the new tax code removes the need for profit shifting so FB wouldn't take a tax hit and I guess you won't relish that as much. And on that note what's with all the commies here?!

The new tax code provides Facebook a 0.6% tax rate? Because that's what they're currently paying in Ireland.

Re: Facebook to change user terms, limiting effect of EU privacy law

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>... all of which are targeting US companies. Clearly not true, but exquisite in the context of the FB factory dodging tax via the Irish loopholes, and now moving away from Ireland as a base.

I don't know what a "factory dodging tax" is but the new tax code removes the need for profit shifting so FB wouldn't take a tax hit and I guess you won't relish that as much. And on that note what's with all the commies here?!

> And on that note what's with all the commies on HN?!

I very much value the good faith exhibited on this forum. This comment is the antithesis of that. It is nothing more than bigotry.

Re: Facebook to change user terms, limiting effect of EU privacy law

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Couldnt they move all they servers to some thid world country and just dont care about Gdpr at all??

I don't think the servers matter, it's not really about the servers, it's about the business side of it, they operate a low tax business within the EU. I don't think they can move out of the EU without all of a sudden not having to pay a lot more for doing business with EU companies. So they still want to operate as a company within the EU to get the tax advantages, but then also are subject to the laws.

If FB moves all their operations out if the EU, how does the EU tax a company? Presumably EU companies can do business with non-EU companies without the other company having an EU presence?

Genuinely curious. Not sure how this works as I'm not a bizguy.

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I see it written there but that doesn't mean its enforceable.

Yeah, I'm skeptical of the EU's ability to enforce their laws on someone outside of the EU (citizen or not) with a business outside of the EU.

I agree, but they aren’t completely powerless, either. A CEO of a company that has been convicted won’t be able to visit a conference in London, go on holiday to Paris, etc. for example. Also, any assets on accounts in the EU could be frozen or confiscated.
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