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Re: Oracle owns “JavaScript”, so Apple is taking down my app

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Post by kangnkodos »

kangnkodos wrote: post #188
kbumsik wrote: post #52

What is the name of the app? It is unclear if the OP uses "JavaScript" in the title of the app, or just "JavaScript" appears in the description or the content of the app. I guess they are quite different cases.

The reddit OP is selling a product (an app) with the word "JavaScript" in the name of the product. That's the problem. That's completely different than using the word JavaScript to describe your product. It's also different than using the word JavaScript in an open source project, such as a github repository. --- Also, everyone is assuming that Oracle has demanded this. It could be that some over-eager lawyer at Appl…

This is one of the reason why new products have weird names such as Airbnb, Pinterest, and Lyft. You can't use a word which is already trademarked (Oracle owns a trademark on JavaScript) in the name of a product you are selling.

Re: Oracle owns “JavaScript”, so Apple is taking down my app

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Post by davvolun »

phpnode wrote: post #183
_bxg1 wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am primarily a JavaScript developer by trade and I literally didn't know it even originated at Oracle. And I'm sure I'm not alone. The trademark should be invalidated.

It didn't originate there, they acquired the rights to the name when they bought sun

I believe they acquired the rights to 'Java' and they're arguing that gives them the rights to 'JavaScript'.

Which is fair-ish -- it should have never been named Javascript to begin with.

Re: Oracle owns “JavaScript”, so Apple is taking down my app

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Post by matte_black »

Tiksi wrote: post #189
matte_black wrote: post #155

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Do you? Seems like it struck a nerve with a lot of people. Not sure what their problem is.

I think the emphasis on ` you ` made it seem as if you were directly attacking the parent.

How does one differentiate between you the OP and you the reader?

Re: Oracle owns “JavaScript”, so Apple is taking down my app

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Post by tastyfreeze »

binarynate wrote: post #2

I knew that Microsoft had to call their ECMAScript implementation JScript, but it never dawned on me that Oracle is the current owner of the "JavaScript" trademark: http://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=2416017&caseSearchType=US_... Between this and Oracle's ongoing lawsuit against Google for their use of Java in Android, I have a pretty low opinion of Oracle.

You must not have a lot experience with Oracle if you had even a moderately rosy opinion of Oracle. In my experience Oracle products are stupendously overpriced. They have been riding their dot-com boom clout in the hollow husk of a company.

The only weapons Oracle has are vendor lock in and crushing competition with litigation.

Re: Oracle owns “JavaScript”, so Apple is taking down my app

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Post by arkades »

cryptonector wrote: post #184
arkades wrote: post #182

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> t is perfectly permissible to not defend a trademark. A lawyer is not obligated, and cannot, make a trademark owner defend it. When I said “defend as required by law,” I meant “defend the IP in the specific manner dictated by our laws,” not that one is obligated to defend it at all. Eg, suing people to prevent IP from becoming generic is the defense that is recognized in our legal tradition - thus, if they are to d…

Indeed, but it should still be a business decision. It's absolutely clear that suing, say, Google, over JavaScript mark misuse would be a big deal business decision at Oracle, while sending a cease&desist letter over some piddly app in the iOS store is almost certainly not. But there is a cost to the latter, in that it destroys goodwill to be overly and unnecessarily aggressive in enforcement of a mark that arguably…

It is a business decision. The idea that lawyers exist in their own bubble somewhere and just launch legal missiles when they want to is false. Part of business is “protect our ownership rights,” and you’d better believe execs push the button on that aggressively.

Re: Oracle owns “JavaScript”, so Apple is taking down my app

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Post by justinclift »

johnsea wrote: post #114
hinkley wrote: post #98

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I expect one day to learn that Larry Ellison bought that Hawaiian island in order to hunt people for sport. I mean he dresses and grooms himself like the evil alternate universe version of a nice person. And everything I’ve heard is that he’s a horrible manchild.

Not that I'd have a detailed knowledge about him, but there is: https://givingpledge.org/Pledger.aspx?id=192 Something which only few persons choose to do

With Larry, there's going to be a self interest angle driving it completely. Literally 0 chance of him "doing good".

Feel free to dig into the details though if you want. Shouldn't be too hard to figure out where the rot is. :)

Re: Oracle owns “JavaScript”, so Apple is taking down my app

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Post by _bxg1 »

phpnode wrote: post #183
_bxg1 wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am primarily a JavaScript developer by trade and I literally didn't know it even originated at Oracle. And I'm sure I'm not alone. The trademark should be invalidated.

It didn't originate there, they acquired the rights to the name when they bought sun

I knew that about Java but I didn't know the same was true of JavaScript

Re: Oracle owns “JavaScript”, so Apple is taking down my app

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Post by piva00 »

davvolun wrote: post #192
phpnode wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It didn't originate there, they acquired the rights to the name when they bought sun

I believe they acquired the rights to 'Java' and they're arguing that gives them the rights to 'JavaScript'. Which is fair-ish -- it should have never been named Javascript to begin with.

No, Oracle owns the "JavaScript" trademark, it's separate from "Java".

http://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=75026640&caseType=SERIAL_N...

Re: Oracle owns “JavaScript”, so Apple is taking down my app

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Post by asfdsfggtfd »

arkades wrote: post #148
coldacid wrote: post #47

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>Never attribute to malice what you can attribute to a corporate lawyer. Are corporate lawyers not the physical manifestation of malice itself?

There are no lawyers in this thread, huh? My wife is a corporate lawyer, so ive seen a little bit of these shenanigans from her perspective. And it pretty much boils down to this: there are certain risks lawyers can take and keep their jobs, and risks they will lose their jobs over. Like everyone else, they do not enjoy unemployment. Saying “this business idea is fine, go for it” and it succeeds? They get no credit.…

In a free country nobody forces people to become IP lawyers nor are you born an IP lawyer. Becoming one involves a series of choices.

Re: Oracle owns “JavaScript”, so Apple is taking down my app

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Post by johnsea »

justinclift wrote: post #196
johnsea wrote: post #114

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Not that I'd have a detailed knowledge about him, but there is: https://givingpledge.org/Pledger.aspx?id=192 Something which only few persons choose to do

With Larry, there's going to be a self interest angle driving it completely. Literally 0 chance of him "doing good". Feel free to dig into the details though if you want. Shouldn't be too hard to figure out where the rot is. :)

If you have relevant details regarding his giving pledge I'm interested to learn them.

But rot, self interest? Not everybody can't do no evil. If he goes through with his pledge (which I assume) he will have done a lot of good. And he will have done it voluntarily. Doesn't make hime a saint, but...

(..almost ;-) - i'm joking; btw, did/will Steve Jobs, Larry and Sergey give away such a substancial part of their wealth?)

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