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Re: Facebook Container for Firefox

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Post by Vinnl »

tylerl wrote: post #147

/sigh. Yet another "privacy" solution that's solves the wrong problem. You prevent the big bad company from spying on your browsing activity while, at the same time, explicitly posting to the big bad company's first-party site messages containing all the juicy bits of private information that you went through all that effort to prevent them from inferring through your other activities. And we pretend this is helping,…

I think you're making a bigger deal of the negative effects of "noise" than it is. If anything, it at least helps spur the discussion about tracking and grow awareness.

Comments like "sigh" are not at all constructive, and I would encourage you to consider not being immediately dismissive to people who at least try to do something about problems you care about.

Re: Facebook Container for Firefox

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Post by pista »

cfadvan wrote: post #111
narag wrote: post #31

We're going from cold war to all-in. Not just a privacy question. Reddit nags me every time I hit the front page, even returning from a story, asking me to log in. For most sites I need to create ublock filters to prevent pop-ups with useless "we use cookies", subscription requests, ads or social media bars that fills half the screen, etc. etc. etc. Every newspaper I read has decided that autostarting video and strea…

Giving up on Reddit is just the same response to stimulus, but the web is vast and varied. You’re giving up on a lot of good to spite a lot of bad, but you’re just going to hurt yourself. Use uNlock and uMatrix and after a few days of regular surfing and a little tweaking you won’t even realize that shite is still there.

Giving it up for work is not possible. But for entertainment it's different the gp not only mentions Reddit, but other news sites and specifically the ones linked from HN. It's a general trend that almost everybody does, probably because "everybody is doing it".

There are good alternatives like reading books, watching movies or going out. Web sites are shooting themselves in their feet. Blockers end up being too much work with this arms race. They think they're "winning" when they're actually just selecting the people that can't choose.

Re: Facebook Container for Firefox

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Post by dredmorbius »

tehlike wrote: post #79
Kequc wrote: post #62

I would like to isolate every website I visit into a container, such that cookies or other tracking mechanisms are unable to be effective while on other pages.

What about ips?

To an extent, Tor can address this, though many sites make this exceedingly painful (Captchas, rate-limiting, outright blocking), and Tor itself is slow -- to set up, bandwidth, and latency.

I'm not sure if some middle tier of connection indirection, content caching-and-forwarding, or other mechanisms, might better address this.

There are protocols such as IPFS and browsers such as Min which might be a partial response to this:

https://minbrowser.github.io/min/

Re: Facebook Container for Firefox

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Post by cornholio »

suprfnk wrote: post #172
narag wrote: post #31

We're going from cold war to all-in. Not just a privacy question. Reddit nags me every time I hit the front page, even returning from a story, asking me to log in. For most sites I need to create ublock filters to prevent pop-ups with useless "we use cookies", subscription requests, ads or social media bars that fills half the screen, etc. etc. etc. Every newspaper I read has decided that autostarting video and strea…

> autostarting video and streaming Super annoying. In Firefox in about:config, you can set: media.autoplay.enabled to false. That works well for me.

A similar setting exists in chrome where you can mute all tabs by default and only whitelist a limited number.

Re: Facebook Container for Firefox

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Post by chillydawg »

RX14 wrote: post #30
jacobsenscott wrote: post #12

I've been trying to use Firefox's containers for a while. They are pretty clunky - you need to open a blank container tab using a menu and then enter the url. I forget to do that all the time, so after some time you are just logged into everything in the "global" container, or logged in to google and twitter in the same container etc. If you check the "Always open this page in this container thing" - then it prompts…

You can middle click on the refresh button and it'll clone the tab you're currently in. Very useful for duplicating containers. And yes, that's terrible discovery in ux.

It's always been obvious to me that the nav buttons are treated the same as links. Left goes there, middle goes there in a new tab, right has options.

Re: Facebook Container for Firefox

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Post by Aissen »

Manishearth wrote: post #98
SparkyMcUnicorn wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This doesn't work for me. I have a "personal" container that I use for my Google/PayPal login, and sites that I use Google oauth with, same for a "work" container. If each site used it's own container, I couldn't sign in with Google without signing in multiple times (let alone the mess of signing out old sessions, which I do once in a while).

Google logins still work, this is a different kind of container from the Firefox container tabs. I use this feature with container tabs and it's fine. There are so far one or two sites I've come across that this breaks, neither of them anything I care about.

It doesn't work all the time. I tried it with Google login on Atlassian, it seems to rely on third-party cookies, and fails. There are a few bugs open on websites that don't work with this feature:

https://wiki.mozilla.org/Security/FirstPartyIsolation#First_...

Re: Facebook Container for Firefox

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Post by denzil_correa »

newscracker wrote: post #170

If you use Firefox Containers, including the Facebook Container, please also use Cookie AutoDelete [1] to get rid of cookies from closed tabs across containers. Otherwise, in my observation, sites will still be able to track you if you reuse a container (even after closing all tabs of that container) for a specific site. [1]: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/cookie-autode...

Shouldn't Cookie AutoDelete be part of the Firefox containers?

Re: Facebook Container for Firefox

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Post by icebraining »

fwn wrote: post #192
tempestn wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Blame the stupid EU cookie law for that though, not the sites. Cookies can actually be very user/privacy friendly, since they provide a way to retain user preferences without requiring an account to tie them to.

They are also entirely voluntary - which the EU would've known if decision makers had visited their browser settings once.

The notice is only for cookies used for non-essential tasks (like analytics) and doesn't have to be shown for things like login sessions. Your browser can't distinguish between those.

Re: Facebook Container for Firefox

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Post by scriptsmith »

newscracker wrote: post #170

If you use Firefox Containers, including the Facebook Container, please also use Cookie AutoDelete [1] to get rid of cookies from closed tabs across containers. Otherwise, in my observation, sites will still be able to track you if you reuse a container (even after closing all tabs of that container) for a specific site. [1]: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/cookie-autode...

This is the purpose of containers. They allow you for the same set of websites to interact with 'you' in different contexts

Re: Facebook Container for Firefox

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Post by flukus »

tempestn wrote: post #135
keyle wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"We use cookies on this site! Read our Cookie-policy mambo jumbo here! "

Blame the stupid EU cookie law for that though, not the sites. Cookies can actually be very user/privacy friendly, since they provide a way to retain user preferences without requiring an account to tie them to.

> Cookies can actually be very user/privacy friendly, since they provide a way to retain user preferences without requiring an account to tie them to.

Enable cookies at that point then, don't turn them on globally for everyone.

> Blame the stupid EU cookie law for that though, not the sites.

If every site didn't turn on cookies by default as if they're somehow needed to read a text page a didn't contain a billion trackers then there would have been no law in the first place.

The need for this law lies squarely at the feet of the sites themselves, the industry has shown no desire to regulate itself.

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