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Re: Facebook Container for Firefox

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Post by dilliwal » Wed, Apr 18, 2018, 5:26 AM UTC

Antrikshy wrote: post #158

dilliwal wrote: post #156

I did the same for many years, blocking third party cookies, having a different browser profile, but none matters. Recently I downloaded all my fb data and I found that fb gives a tool to advertisers where they can upload my contact information to join all the dots. The heading says "Advertisers who uploaded a contact list with your info" https://imgur.com/a/FRsUP

That's kinda the opposite. The brands somehow had your info (from accounts you may have created with them, for instance), which they explicitly imported into Facebook specifically to show ads to you etc.

Yes, it seems like that, and thats what I am trying to say, that browsers are just one vector, users information is collected from number of sources: - apps you use on your mobile - your email/phone (example: which you gave to a Pizza company is same as of your fb) - Your address which is with a local store nearby etc. etc.

All this information is collected to connect all the dots.

When I was going through the advertiser list, I was kinda shocked coz I never give my any detail to them, and still they have somehow uploaded it to fb. FB should ask the advertisers about source of data.

Re: Facebook Container for Firefox

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Post by mehrdadn » Wed, Apr 18, 2018, 5:26 AM UTC

ams6110 wrote: post #139

mehrdadn wrote: post #72

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Yet another reason why you should avoid using service to log into another as much as possible.

I'm really of two minds about this. On the one hand you can use Facebook or Google to log in and then have them know what sites you log into. Or you can use a site's native login and be pretty sure that at some point you're going to get a "we take security very seriously" notice after they screw up and expose all their user data.

I don't really see how logging in with a different system prevents your user data from being exposed?

Re: Facebook Container for Firefox

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Post by TheRealPomax » Wed, Apr 18, 2018, 5:27 AM UTC

some_account wrote: post #159

TheRealPomax wrote: post #152

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Sorry, you're not seriously entertaining the idea that browsers should just turn off facebook for everyone, are you? There are plenty of parts on this planet where facebook is the main page in people's lives, like it or not, and the problem to solve is one of people's attitude towards that being okay. Not the availability of facebook. You don't change people's minds from "this is useful to me on an hourly basis" to "…

Big companies like this never go away. They just reshape their public image and keep doing what they are doing. The Facebook thing will blow over. He has friends in high places. Right now this is a show for the public. Later its forgotten and Zuckerberg is back doing whatever he wants to do.

Big companies like this have never existed before. It's hard to remember, but 10 years ago there was no "massive Facebook" or anything of the same scale. Amazon, Apple, you name it: NONE of them have been around long enough for a claim that "they never go away" to make any kind of sense.

Re: Facebook Container for Firefox

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Post by msravi » Wed, Apr 18, 2018, 5:27 AM UTC

I've used a separate container tab for facebook in firefox (nightly) for some time now, along with uMatrix, uBlock origin, and privacybadger. I downloaded my info from fb a few days ago, and was pleasantly surprised at how little info they had on me - they only have 2 advertisers with my contact info (email id). I click stuff on fb, but don't post, and occasionally have had message exchanges with friends.

Re: Facebook Container for Firefox

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Post by sametmax » Wed, Apr 18, 2018, 5:52 AM UTC

07d046 wrote: post #27

I used Firefox's containers for about a day, and then I discovered the privacy.firstparty.isolate option (in about:config), which effectively gives every site its own container with no user effort. That, combined with Cookie AutoDelete, seems to work well.

Yeah but you miss in the parallel session. Having several github and twitter accounts, it's very handy.

I never disconnect from anything, i just open a non container tab. I never connect to anything on my laptop, i open the site in the desired account container.

This website is in a state I don't want ? New container, and it's sees me as a new customer.

Re: Facebook Container for Firefox

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Apr 18, 2018, 5:54 AM UTC

mehrdadn wrote: post #162

ams6110 wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm really of two minds about this. On the one hand you can use Facebook or Google to log in and then have them know what sites you log into. Or you can use a site's native login and be pretty sure that at some point you're going to get a "we take security very seriously" notice after they screw up and expose all their user data.

I don't really see how logging in with a different system prevents your user data from being exposed?

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Re: Facebook Container for Firefox

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Post by waterbomb0 » Wed, Apr 18, 2018, 5:56 AM UTC

ams6110 wrote: post #139

mehrdadn wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yet another reason why you should avoid using service to log into another as much as possible.

I'm really of two minds about this. On the one hand you can use Facebook or Google to log in and then have them know what sites you log into. Or you can use a site's native login and be pretty sure that at some point you're going to get a "we take security very seriously" notice after they screw up and expose all their user data.

If you use a password manager with different passwords for each site it doesn't matter (much). Either they steal your password (usually hashed), or your OAuth information.

The minor difference is that with OAuth they cannot log-in to the site pretending to be you, but if they don't hash the passwords, or use weak method to do it, then it's possible.

Regarding other user data stored in the DB (which is usually more valuable than just the passwords) there is no difference between the login method.

Re: Facebook Container for Firefox

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Post by sametmax » Wed, Apr 18, 2018, 6:01 AM UTC

TheRealPomax wrote: post #163

some_account wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Big companies like this never go away. They just reshape their public image and keep doing what they are doing. The Facebook thing will blow over. He has friends in high places. Right now this is a show for the public. Later its forgotten and Zuckerberg is back doing whatever he wants to do.

Big companies like this have never existed before. It's hard to remember, but 10 years ago there was no "massive Facebook" or anything of the same scale. Amazon, Apple, you name it: NONE of them have been around long enough for a claim that "they never go away" to make any kind of sense.

The same shape no.

But big invasive entities have always existed. In france, coal mines almost owned the lifz of their worker : when they shop, where they slept, etc. News were only on a few newspapers or tv channels linked to the same top people, one source of info to tell you what to think, do and to buy.

The government has always collected a lot of infos to.

Before that, the church did. They polished the global personnal data collection but called it confession. They mastered the ad, it was for all people to see on sunday. Very useful for population control and black mail.

So unless people learn to see the red flags and react, the next wolf will it the sheeps like always.

Re: Facebook Container for Firefox

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Post by dredmorbius » Wed, Apr 18, 2018, 6:02 AM UTC

swsieber wrote: post #73

Someone1234 wrote: post #70

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You can be logged into multiple Google Accounts at the same time without the extension. Just click the little profile icon in the top right and click "Add Account." I'm logged into four, including a Gapps account.

Have they fixed the issues though where some of their apps only work with the primary account you're logged in with? (e.g. the first one)

Good question, though the account isolation to the extent I've tested it has been surprisingly good.

I still don't fully trust it, but that's a different matter.

Re: Facebook Container for Firefox

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Post by newscracker » Wed, Apr 18, 2018, 6:06 AM UTC

If you use Firefox Containers, including the Facebook Container, please also use Cookie AutoDelete [1] to get rid of cookies from closed tabs across containers. Otherwise, in my observation, sites will still be able to track you if you reuse a container (even after closing all tabs of that container) for a specific site.

[1]: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/cookie-autode...