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Toronto is far more culturally diverse than LA, and that's the city that elected Rob Ford as mayor.
How do you figure Toronto is more culturally diverse than LA? LA has large communities of people from essentially every part of the world. Maybe they're roughly on par?
Which is the most ideologically diverse American city?
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I would go further and be curious if people think that the uneducated class running the country is a good idea now?
Yes. I think the DC mindset that highly educated wonks should tell everyone what to do is intensely anti-Democratic.
You don't think that people in charge of policy should have a minimum amount of learning beyond high school, for example, to deal with something that has such complicated externalities as public policy?
Voting is one thing, because we are all in this together, but I really, really prefer a captain to steer a ship rather than someone who just has bold opinions on ships.
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#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
I would go further and be curious if people think that the uneducated class running the country is a good idea now?
Yes. I think the DC mindset that highly educated wonks should tell everyone what to do is intensely anti-Democratic.
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#74How can this question be reasonably answered? Maybe places with high numbers of academics and articulate people can be measured but that's about it. There's multiple dimensions when it comes to ideology and multiple approaches to each dimension. There's even fundamentally different interpretations of the categorical differences on how to subdivide the classifications of these systems. And each of these facets have wi…
> For instance, many San Francisco "lefties" are anarcho-capitalists That seems a bit strange. I know quite a bit about anarcho-capitalism, but I have never, never ever heard anybody claim they were 'left'. In fact generally 'leftism' is associated with socialism and the exact opposite of what AnCaps want.
When I was in Charlottesville, VA, many of the people around me there would have described me as "right wing" or even "alt-right".
In our binary political system, people have a hard time describing people who oppose them without assuming they are members of the "others".
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#75As long as we are defining this qualitatively, I nominate Charlottesville VA. Yeah, it's much smaller, but the community feel means people are actually interacting across ideaological lines, not just sharing municipal services.
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#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes. I think the DC mindset that highly educated wonks should tell everyone what to do is intensely anti-Democratic.
Who in DC is "telling everyone what to do"? We vote for them, they write the laws. That is how a representative democracy works. Under your vision of uneducated leaders, would those people still be "telling everyone what to do" when they write a law?
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#77"Mexicans fit along a political spectrum of their own." Tell me more about this mexican political spectrum. I'm only half can I join? Btw what do we believe in?
Americans have a political spectrum, like a range of beliefs that the conservatives have to the liberals. Probably most countries have different political spectrums, Europe in general has done away with gun rights debates and so their political spectrum is different than those in the u.s. It's definitely not a race thing, it's a nationality. It's just a fact that every nation has their own type of polarization, aka s…
One side has won, but it's hardly been "done away with". Even in the UK there is support for relaxing gun control. There are some countries in Europe with fairly strong laws protecting gun ownership as well, like the Czech Republic.
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How do you figure Toronto is more culturally diverse than LA? LA has large communities of people from essentially every part of the world. Maybe they're roughly on par?
Toronto is 50% immigrants, LA is 40% immigrants. LA's immigrants are 2/3rds Latino, Toronto's immigrants are very broadly composed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Toronto https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Los_Angeles
LA is roughly 48% Latino, 30% "white", 11% Asian, 10% Black, and 30% "other" generally referring to smaller ethnic groups or to multi-ethnic individuals. LA's minority population on an absolute basis is larger than the entire population of the Toronto Metro Area. We have every type of Asian, European, South and North American, African, and Pacific Islander there is. We have ethnic populations in LA that are the only settled populations of those groups outside of their home countries, such as Iranian Jews and Druze.
Toronto is 48% white, 9% Black, 1% Aboriginal, and the remainder is Asian. Not diverse by US standards, unless you're comparing yourself to Cleveland or Indianapolis, maybe.
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I wasn't suggesting that the ideologies are identical, just that they share those elements. And no, the hatred does not go both ways, but you might think so because another big part of modern Republican ideology is victimization and resentment. Which are also powerful dangerous forces historically.
I wasn't suggesting that the ideologies are identical, just that they share those elements The way you worded your comment obviously made that implication - between Republicans and the Khmer Rouge, when in fact the Khmer Rouge was a leftist, communist, Marxist government, whose leaders were steeped in academic Marxist "intellectualism" (they studied in Paris, no less). Deciphering whether you intended it or not is no…
On victimization and resentment, it's basically the whole appeal of Trump. See https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/07/21/...
The whole point of the anti-urban elites propaganda is to make people feel like they're victims of the hated others.
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#80First, article is talking more about ideological divide (democratic/republican) than ideological diversity (which would presumably mean many other viewpoints). Not sure about ideological diversity, and how to even measure it, but ideological divide to me seems as an inevitable result of two party system (and majority voting system), as both parties struggle to get supporters. In order to do that, they often abandon o…
Yes. Washington, DC is absolutely not an ideologically diverse place, by basically any measure. 93% (!) of the city voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016. Additionally, most people there, Democrats included, are extremely dedicated to the status quo. I've live in cities all across America, including DC 2015-2018 -- I actually usually cite it as the least ideologically diverse place I've ever lived. I generally like Margi…
Perhaps, but...
> 93% (!) of the city voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016.
...is irrelevant to the thesis. The partisan divide in the US generally conceals significant ideological diversity within each major party, and those voting for a particular major party candidate are generslly more ideologically-diverse than those who identify with the major party they are from (as they tend to include people who ideologically identify as independents or wihlth minor parties who vote tactically, and a smaller number who vote that way but ideologically-motivated identify with the opposing major party.)