"The internet needs to have a better way to block parts of it without taking down the rest of the internet."
- Internal communication of the Russian Security agency
Russia Bans 1.8M Amazon and Google IPs in Attempt to Block Telegram
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#142Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you actually care about security/privacy, why not just use Signal?
Signal isn't anonymous. You need a phone number. Why did the all-knowing Moxie require this? No one has ever provided a good reason.
He's written about the why. It's a tradeoff to make it easier for people to switch.
https://signal.org/blog/contact-discovery/
(not just individual people obsessed with privacy, the large numbers of people who can see the advantage of privacy but may not invest a lot of effort to achieve it)
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#143There's a pull request with 127.0.0.1 in it. https://github.com/zapret-info/z-i/pull/10/commits/8394b2026... Wonder if they'll merge it.
It a repo of "leaked" blacklist. Roskomnadzor don't publish it to public and share it only with ISPs.
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#144Can't wait for Durov comments on this. Really interested in the tech details. Any telegram developer here??
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#145Why block Telegram and not .. all the others? Whatsapp, Signal, Viber, ... Are they objecting to the use of encryption? Because everyone uses encryption almost all the time for everything everywhere. The cat has been well and truly released from that bag. Are they just going to turn off the internet altogether?
Signal is non-federated. I'm not sure it would be possible to easily block Signal.
Wait. non-federated is simpler to block, no?
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#147Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you actually care about security/privacy, why not just use Signal?
One argument might be "because Signal * has (almost) no tests, * has no CI (at least I could find none), * lacks some basic features competitors have, * sometimes doesn't ring when you call, and * they just closed all 1100 open issues without reading their contents [1]." Don't get me wrong, I think Signal is a great idea and have contributed some code to it, but these look like some red flags to me. Obviously hard to…
Good points, but I think it's good to mention that Telegram is actually open source: https://telegram.org/apps#source-code
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#148Why block Telegram and not .. all the others? Whatsapp, Signal, Viber, ... Are they objecting to the use of encryption? Because everyone uses encryption almost all the time for everything everywhere. The cat has been well and truly released from that bag. Are they just going to turn off the internet altogether?
Telegram is not the most popular messenger in Russia. It's not even in top-3 as far as I remember. But it is widely used by people who tend to be opposite to the current government (young professionals). Also, there are a lot of anonymous Telegram channels curated by the opposition.
Telegram was reported by one of three russian cellular network companies as 2nd after Viber by number of clients (both each day and simultanious peak) nearly a week prior to blocking.
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#149Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'd argue that in this case the centralization helps because blocking GCM would kill all notifications for all apps. As long as they (Russia) are not willing to do that Telegram can use this as a side-channel to update their IPs for all clients. The other option would be for google to turn push notifications off selectively for Telegram and only in russia. Not sure if they can/will do that.
If Google will comply with an order to remove apps from the store in certain regions then they can certainly comply with orders to filter push messages destined for specific apps as well.
These are very different actions though, I doubt they would be seen as equivalent to any of the parties involved.
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#150Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Telegram is the most used one in Russia Not even close. Whatsapp and Viber are much more popular. Telegram was barely 3rd before the ban. [1] Viber moved their data to Russia, they won't get a ban. Not sure about Whatsapp. [1]: https://leonardo.osnova.io/bf345b20-423b-c508-cbc2-15963a7af...
Is Viber even End to End encrypted at all?