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Russia Bans 1.8M Amazon and Google IPs in Attempt to Block Telegram

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Re: Russia Bans 1.8M Amazon and Google IPs in Attempt to Block Telegram

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Post by MikusR »

carlmr wrote: post #92
konart wrote: post #73

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>Telegram is the most used one in Russia Not even close. Whatsapp and Viber are much more popular. Telegram was barely 3rd before the ban. [1] Viber moved their data to Russia, they won't get a ban. Not sure about Whatsapp. [1]: https://leonardo.osnova.io/bf345b20-423b-c508-cbc2-15963a7af...

WhatsApp is probably backdoored though, so your end to end encryption will only keep your internet café from spying on you, not the governments Facebook is friendly with: https://appleinsider.com/articles/17/01/13/whatsapp-backdoor...

You mean the the one reported by theGuardian? The one where they could not find a second security researcher to agree about? The one this public letter was about? https://techcrunch.com/2017/01/20/security-researchers-call-...

Re: Russia Bans 1.8M Amazon and Google IPs in Attempt to Block Telegram

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Post by drdaeman »

madez wrote: post #60
BubuIIC wrote: post #57

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Unfortunately Telegram-FOSS from F-Droid doens't have GCM support so won't be notified about DC updates via push messages. I this particular case the centralization around the push service of google actually helps.

> I this particular case the centralization around the push service of google actually helps. No, it does not, and you even argued why. This centralization makes it harder to make the system more resilient. We need an alternative to GCM.

BTW, microG GmsCore does GCM (although I'm not sure if it also implements FCM APIs), while being pure FLOSS.

Re: Russia Bans 1.8M Amazon and Google IPs in Attempt to Block Telegram

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Post by floatboth »

fehyjn wrote: post #48
leo250 wrote: post #25

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Hello I’m from Russia. And yes, local authorities started blocking telegram IPs. It doesn’t work without proxy/vpn.

Their DPI is so dumb that it can be easily bypassed just by editing `Host` to `HOst` in http header. BTW ipv6 adresses are not blocked.

Not all ISPs even have DPI, small ones just block IPs

Re: Russia Bans 1.8M Amazon and Google IPs in Attempt to Block Telegram

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Post by SXX »

ckastner wrote: post #95
SXX wrote: post #17

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So do you think it's good idea for Amazon / Google reputation to cease their service to any SaaS if kremlin dont like it? Unlike many smaller players Telegram might actually afford to pay for even millions of new IPs in thousands of subnets.

> So do you think it's good idea for Amazon / Google reputation to cease their service to any SaaS if kremlin dont like it? No, but I don't think that's how it would be spun -- I would exect it to be framed as a ToS violation.

I not sure how it's can be against ToS because unlike other case Telegram is actually large enough to actually pay for tens of thousands end point IPs easily even on monthly basis.

And Kremlin minions certainly not going to stop ban subnets now even if will be 1:1000 ratio of Telegram's one and other services.

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Post by grimskin »

craigds wrote: post #26

Why block Telegram and not .. all the others? Whatsapp, Signal, Viber, ... Are they objecting to the use of encryption? Because everyone uses encryption almost all the time for everything everywhere. The cat has been well and truly released from that bag. Are they just going to turn off the internet altogether?

Well, due to a huge ban of Amazon addresses Viber is currently experiencing some connectivity issues in Russia too.

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Post by degorov »

fehyjn wrote: post #48
leo250 wrote: post #25

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Hello I’m from Russia. And yes, local authorities started blocking telegram IPs. It doesn’t work without proxy/vpn.

Their DPI is so dumb that it can be easily bypassed just by editing `Host` to `HOst` in http header. BTW ipv6 adresses are not blocked.

What does that even mean? Every ISP has it's own filtering system, some (or maybe even most of them) are custom built ones. There is no such thing as single government approved DPI.

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Post by mjburgess »

nukeop wrote: post #105
mjburgess wrote: post #96

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Yes, in large part because their service is good. You're conflating legal restriction on individual behavior with market/individual-preference constraints. "Life" in general is constrained. We are not trying to get rid of limited options (every choise is between limited options), we're trying to limit totalitarian control over individuals. That is, behaviour which is artificially constrained by imprisonment, punishme…

And the end result are tyrannical power structures that de facto exert totalitarian control. There is very little difference between government-enforced restrictions and those created by global capitalism and its monopolies. It doesn't matter to me if my rights are restricted by legal means or by corporate hegemonies, in fact the mechanisms in play are so complex nobody can really be sure anymore.

No no, people can be very very very sure. The 20th C. tried both of those experiments and in the totalitarian system 10s of millions -- at least -- died.

Having your choices restricted by social cooperation and negotiation (in a market places) is NOT the same as having them restricted by a bully with a military.

This false equivalence is a defense of genocide whether you are willing to own up to that or not.

Re: Russia Bans 1.8M Amazon and Google IPs in Attempt to Block Telegram

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Post by degorov »

floatboth wrote: post #114
fehyjn wrote: post #48

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Their DPI is so dumb that it can be easily bypassed just by editing `Host` to `HOst` in http header. BTW ipv6 adresses are not blocked.

Not all ISPs even have DPI, small ones just block IPs

It's not possible to comply with RKN's requirements by banning IPs for quite a long time already.

Re: Russia Bans 1.8M Amazon and Google IPs in Attempt to Block Telegram

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Post by nh2 »

fastball wrote: post #108
dijit wrote: post #86

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This reads like FUD, there are reasons for and against telegram and I won't get into them here. But truth is often stranger than fiction[0] and there are actors with something to gain from making telegram look poor. [0]: The story of Karl Koch for example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Koch_(hacker) who's death was ruled a suicide, and his history is... "colourful".

If you actually care about security/privacy, why not just use Signal?

One argument might be "because Signal

* has (almost) no tests,

* has no CI (at least I could find none),

* lacks some basic features competitors have,

* sometimes doesn't ring when you call, and

* they just closed all 1100 open issues without reading their contents [1]."

Don't get me wrong, I think Signal is a great idea and have contributed some code to it, but these look like some red flags to me.

Obviously hard to compare to Telegram, which is closed source so we can't know whether they have similar problems.

[1]: https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-Android/issues/7598

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