So, Telegram is blocked. But Facebook Messenger and WhatsApp are still online. Hence, this is pushing users of a (relatively) country-neutral service, towards more American services.
Seems like a weird move for Russia.
Russia Bans 1.8M Amazon and Google IPs in Attempt to Block Telegram
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#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you actually care about security/privacy, why not just use Signal?
One argument might be "because Signal * has (almost) no tests, * has no CI (at least I could find none), * lacks some basic features competitors have, * sometimes doesn't ring when you call, and * they just closed all 1100 open issues without reading their contents [1]." Don't get me wrong, I think Signal is a great idea and have contributed some code to it, but these look like some red flags to me. Obviously hard to…
Question:
What do tests and CI have to do with the usability and usefulness of a program? I agree that the other issues could be worrying, but those first two throw me for a loop.
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#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
And the end result are tyrannical power structures that de facto exert totalitarian control. There is very little difference between government-enforced restrictions and those created by global capitalism and its monopolies. It doesn't matter to me if my rights are restricted by legal means or by corporate hegemonies, in fact the mechanisms in play are so complex nobody can really be sure anymore.
No no, people can be very very very sure. The 20th C. tried both of those experiments and in the totalitarian system 10s of millions -- at least -- died. Having your choices restricted by social cooperation and negotiation (in a market places) is NOT the same as having them restricted by a bully with a military. This false equivalence is a defense of genocide whether you are willing to own up to that or not.
This sums up this stance accurately:
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#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you actually care about security/privacy, why not just use Signal?
Signal isn't anonymous. You need a phone number. Why did the all-knowing Moxie require this? No one has ever provided a good reason.
To identify a particular user so you can send them messages? IIRC, Signal has never claimed to be anonymous.
True anonymity in a messaging service is hard to achieve, and not even remotely user friendly.
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#125So, Telegram is blocked. But Facebook Messenger and WhatsApp are still online. Hence, this is pushing users of a (relatively) country-neutral service, towards more American services. Seems like a weird move for Russia.
Perhaps those American services are easier to compromise...
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#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you actually care about security/privacy, why not just use Signal?
One argument might be "because Signal * has (almost) no tests, * has no CI (at least I could find none), * lacks some basic features competitors have, * sometimes doesn't ring when you call, and * they just closed all 1100 open issues without reading their contents [1]." Don't get me wrong, I think Signal is a great idea and have contributed some code to it, but these look like some red flags to me. Obviously hard to…
To your last bullet point, these seem like a good reasons to me. This does not seem to have happened with the iOS version.
>However, the sheer volume of legacy issues, combined with submissions that completely ignore the provided issue template, has created a situation where there are currently more than 1,100 open tickets. Most of these issues have been inactive for several years and they reference versions of Signal that are no longer available. Many open issues are essentially ad-hoc discussion threads or feature requests that are a better fit for the community forum. Perhaps most importantly, many of these issues lack debug logs, descriptions, and the steps that would be necessary to understand and reproduce the reported behavior.
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#127Maybe the goal of the Russian government was to block the Amazon and Google APIs in the first place, and they used Telegram as a convenient excuse. Just a thought.
Usually Russia don't play that smart. Wondering how would they replace those services.
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#128There's a pull request with 127.0.0.1 in it. https://github.com/zapret-info/z-i/pull/10/commits/8394b2026... Wonder if they'll merge it.
That repository is obviously just a copy and is not (and in fact can't be) used by ISPs.
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#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
Signal isn't anonymous. You need a phone number. Why did the all-knowing Moxie require this? No one has ever provided a good reason.
To identify a particular user so you can send them messages? IIRC, Signal has never claimed to be anonymous. True anonymity in a messaging service is hard to achieve, and not even remotely user friendly.
Threema generates random IDs. Users then show each other QR codes and scan them.
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#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
WhatsApp is probably backdoored though, so your end to end encryption will only keep your internet café from spying on you, not the governments Facebook is friendly with: https://appleinsider.com/articles/17/01/13/whatsapp-backdoor...
You mean the the one reported by theGuardian? The one where they could not find a second security researcher to agree about? The one this public letter was about? https://techcrunch.com/2017/01/20/security-researchers-call-...
Oh, never saw that retraction even before when I Googled it.
Good catch!