Maybe the goal of the Russian government was to block the Amazon and Google APIs in the first place, and they used Telegram as a convenient excuse. Just a thought.
Russia Bans 1.8M Amazon and Google IPs in Attempt to Block Telegram
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#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's just that Telegram is the most used one in Russia so they proceed by targeting this one first but don't worry they will target the other ones after.
>Telegram is the most used one in Russia Not even close. Whatsapp and Viber are much more popular. Telegram was barely 3rd before the ban. [1] Viber moved their data to Russia, they won't get a ban. Not sure about Whatsapp. [1]: https://leonardo.osnova.io/bf345b20-423b-c508-cbc2-15963a7af...
WhatsApp is probably backdoored though, so your end to end encryption will only keep your internet café from spying on you, not the governments Facebook is friendly with:
https://appleinsider.com/articles/17/01/13/whatsapp-backdoor...
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#93A few months ago I read an article about Telegram and their related companies and individuals. [1] The article read like a mix between a nerdy James Bond story, a bad Law and Order episode, a Mexican soap opera and a Russian episode of Cribs. It was written by an ex-employee so I took it with a grain of salt. Nevertheless, the article brings up a lot of red flags and shady behavior. Combined with their (alleged) conn…
"roll-your-own-crypto" == DH-RSA-AES with GPL implementation?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telegram_(service)#Encryption_...
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#94Why block Telegram and not .. all the others? Whatsapp, Signal, Viber, ... Are they objecting to the use of encryption? Because everyone uses encryption almost all the time for everything everywhere. The cat has been well and truly released from that bag. Are they just going to turn off the internet altogether?
WhatsApp is owned by Facebook. They probably have a data-sharing agreement with Russia.
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#95If this is indeed a blanket banning of AWS and GCP, then I assume that Amazon and Google will soon remove Telegram. It might be immoral, but it's the fastest solution to the harm this causes to all other affected customers I can think of.
So do you think it's good idea for Amazon / Google reputation to cease their service to any SaaS if kremlin dont like it? Unlike many smaller players Telegram might actually afford to pay for even millions of new IPs in thousands of subnets.
> So do you think it's good idea for Amazon / Google reputation to cease their service to any SaaS if kremlin dont like it?
No, but I don't think that's how it would be spun -- I would exect it to be framed as a ToS violation.
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#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
Oh, there's a huge difference. You have alternatives.
There is no alternative to Google, Amazon, Youtube, etc. You have tiny, inferior competitors that don't even come close to 10% of the monopolist's market share. Google works very hard to trap you in their ecosystem. Once you're there, escape is almost impossible.
Yes, in large part because their service is good.
You're conflating legal restriction on individual behavior with market/individual-preference constraints.
"Life" in general is constrained. We are not trying to get rid of limited options (every choise is between limited options), we're trying to limit totalitarian control over individuals.
That is, behaviour which is artificially constrained by imprisonment, punishment and death for the sake of preserving tyrannical power structures.
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#9715M IPs blocked. Are they going to block the whole internet??
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#98There's a pull request with 127.0.0.1 in it.
https://github.com/zapret-info/z-i/pull/10/commits/8394b2026...
Wonder if they'll merge it.
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#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
There the govt builds the controls. Here Twitter, YouTube and Facebook do. No big difference in my book. In terms of outcomes, only clowns get propped up either way.
Oh, there's a huge difference. You have alternatives.
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#100https://2018.schors.spb.ru/
16M already.