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Russia Bans 1.8M Amazon and Google IPs in Attempt to Block Telegram

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Re: Russia Bans 1.8M Amazon and Google IPs in Attempt to Block Telegram

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Post by foka86 »

craigds wrote: post #26

Why block Telegram and not .. all the others? Whatsapp, Signal, Viber, ... Are they objecting to the use of encryption? Because everyone uses encryption almost all the time for everything everywhere. The cat has been well and truly released from that bag. Are they just going to turn off the internet altogether?

Telegram is not the most popular messenger in Russia. It's not even in top-3 as far as I remember. But it is widely used by people who tend to be opposite to the current government (young professionals). Also, there are a lot of anonymous Telegram channels curated by the opposition.

Re: Russia Bans 1.8M Amazon and Google IPs in Attempt to Block Telegram

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Post by foka86 »

dunkelheit wrote: post #44

The first round of the fight is clearly won by telegram - roscomnadzor is perceived as a lumbering and inept gorilla whose actions harm innocent bystanders while telegram continues to work almost perfectly. Next we will see how effective the deletion of the telegram app from the Russian app stores will be. Because of the centralized nature of the stores telegram can’t do much with it (they can try publishing clones o…

We used Telegram as the main tool for our team's communication. We all applied proxy settings but it's almost impossible to work without a VPN enabled :(.

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Post by dannyw »

hux_ wrote: post #32
gonesilent wrote: post #14

Russia is taking a page out of the China internet playbook. Next it will build out it's own great firewall and slowly unblock services after it gain's control.

There the govt builds the controls. Here Twitter, YouTube and Facebook do. No big difference in my book. In terms of outcomes, only clowns get propped up either way.

Oh, there's a huge difference. You have alternatives.

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Post by foka86 »

leo250 wrote: post #25
jankotek wrote: post #20

Hm, does that mean other IMs gave their encryption keys to Russian government? Also could someone from Russia confirm telegram/AWS are blocked?

Hello I’m from Russia. And yes, local authorities started blocking telegram IPs. It doesn’t work without proxy/vpn.

In my case, proxy alone doesn't help. It only works with VPN now :(.

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Post by codecamper »

cornholio wrote: post #34
y_molodtsov wrote: post #4

And they also ordered Apple and Google to remove the app from their stores. I understand there are workarounds, but I'd really like them to respond with "f*ck yourself". It's a shame they won't do that, though.

And here is another yet problem with walled gardens. It creates a single failure point because Apple and Google are forced to comply with local law, regardless of how absurd it is, if they want to continue doing business there. In an open environment, you would simply change the mirror urls and run apt-get update.

I remember trading floppy disks with friends. Too bad mobile has switched off sneakernet.

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Post by BubuIIC »

jstanley wrote: post #35
cornholio wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And here is another yet problem with walled gardens. It creates a single failure point because Apple and Google are forced to comply with local law, regardless of how absurd it is, if they want to continue doing business there. In an open environment, you would simply change the mirror urls and run apt-get update.

The Telegram client is available on F-Droid, so you can still use it even if you opt-out of the walled garden.

Unfortunately Telegram-FOSS from F-Droid doens't have GCM support so won't be notified about DC updates via push messages.

I this particular case the centralization around the push service of google actually helps.

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Post by icebraining »

fehyjn wrote: post #48
leo250 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hello I’m from Russia. And yes, local authorities started blocking telegram IPs. It doesn’t work without proxy/vpn.

Their DPI is so dumb that it can be easily bypassed just by editing `Host` to `HOst` in http header. BTW ipv6 adresses are not blocked.

Wait, assuming they're using TLS and certificate-pinning, the DPI shouldn't be able to read the HTTP headers at all. How does that work?

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Post by madez »

BubuIIC wrote: post #57
jstanley wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Telegram client is available on F-Droid, so you can still use it even if you opt-out of the walled garden.

Unfortunately Telegram-FOSS from F-Droid doens't have GCM support so won't be notified about DC updates via push messages. I this particular case the centralization around the push service of google actually helps.

> I this particular case the centralization around the push service of google actually helps.

No, it does not, and you even argued why. This centralization makes it harder to make the system more resilient.

We need an alternative to GCM.

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