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Russia Bans 1.8M Amazon and Google IPs in Attempt to Block Telegram

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Re: Russia Bans 1.8M Amazon and Google IPs in Attempt to Block Telegram

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Post by kernelkadafi »

It may indicate where telegram is getting this 2 billion from in their ico, it may be intimatley connected to western establishment, specifically the Americans as we know their Jihadis/subversives are using the platform to coordinate their activities and soon wil have a way of sending funds across borders intergrated with their app of choice.

China and Russia have clamped down on cryptos because of capital flight somthing that the west has used as a weapon to weaken Russia and China but which has largley been stamped out now.

In my mind this now begs the question of Bitcoin, how exactly did it come around, who were the cypher punks working for, were they independent and their creation was coopted or were they 'guided' in their approach to a decentralised mechanism of capital flight, food for thought certainly....

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Post by hux_ »

gonesilent wrote: post #14

Russia is taking a page out of the China internet playbook. Next it will build out it's own great firewall and slowly unblock services after it gain's control.

There the govt builds the controls. Here Twitter, YouTube and Facebook do. No big difference in my book. In terms of outcomes, only clowns get propped up either way.

Re: Russia Bans 1.8M Amazon and Google IPs in Attempt to Block Telegram

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Post by realusername »

craigds wrote: post #26

Why block Telegram and not .. all the others? Whatsapp, Signal, Viber, ... Are they objecting to the use of encryption? Because everyone uses encryption almost all the time for everything everywhere. The cat has been well and truly released from that bag. Are they just going to turn off the internet altogether?

It's just that Telegram is the most used one in Russia so they proceed by targeting this one first but don't worry they will target the other ones after.

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Post by cornholio »

y_molodtsov wrote: post #4

And they also ordered Apple and Google to remove the app from their stores. I understand there are workarounds, but I'd really like them to respond with "f*ck yourself". It's a shame they won't do that, though.

And here is another yet problem with walled gardens. It creates a single failure point because Apple and Google are forced to comply with local law, regardless of how absurd it is, if they want to continue doing business there.

In an open environment, you would simply change the mirror urls and run apt-get update.

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Post by jstanley »

cornholio wrote: post #34
y_molodtsov wrote: post #4

And they also ordered Apple and Google to remove the app from their stores. I understand there are workarounds, but I'd really like them to respond with "f*ck yourself". It's a shame they won't do that, though.

And here is another yet problem with walled gardens. It creates a single failure point because Apple and Google are forced to comply with local law, regardless of how absurd it is, if they want to continue doing business there. In an open environment, you would simply change the mirror urls and run apt-get update.

The Telegram client is available on F-Droid, so you can still use it even if you opt-out of the walled garden.

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Post by Vinnl »

jankotek wrote: post #20

Hm, does that mean other IMs gave their encryption keys to Russian government? Also could someone from Russia confirm telegram/AWS are blocked?

Depends on the other IMs, but as far as I know, at least Signal and WhatsApp have no keys they can give the government. WhatsApp could potentially sneak a backdoor in their closed-source code, but I don't think that's something they'd have incentive enough to do.

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Post by ryanlol »

craigds wrote: post #26

Why block Telegram and not .. all the others? Whatsapp, Signal, Viber, ... Are they objecting to the use of encryption? Because everyone uses encryption almost all the time for everything everywhere. The cat has been well and truly released from that bag. Are they just going to turn off the internet altogether?

Because the Russian government can read all non-E2EE conversations (so 99% of them) on Telegram and is hoping to drive adoption overseas with this PR stunt.

None of the other messengers you mentioned are designed to work like this (not 100% sure about Viber), the ability of operators to read most of the conversations on the platform is very much unique to Telegram.

It's really not a coincidence that the Russian government is choosing to ban the worst "encrypted messenger" on the market.

Re: Russia Bans 1.8M Amazon and Google IPs in Attempt to Block Telegram

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Post by rqs »

pmlnr wrote: post #21
2close4comfort wrote: post #18

How long until all countries firewall off and whole reason for creating the internet is completely lost.

Not much. We need mesh networks across every device - routers, smartphones, long distance repeaters, etc - ASAP to avoid it.

Sorry, it will not work.

If your government can pass laws to allow themselves to block any Internet services, it may as well go ahead pass laws to prevent people from circumventing that block.

So, the only defense you have, is to prevent your government from issuing the first law.

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