How long until all countries firewall off and whole reason for creating the internet is completely lost.
Not much. We need mesh networks across every device - routers, smartphones, long distance repeaters, etc - ASAP to avoid it.
Russia Bans 1.8M Amazon and Google IPs in Attempt to Block Telegram
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#22If this is indeed a blanket banning of AWS and GCP, then I assume that Amazon and Google will soon remove Telegram. It might be immoral, but it's the fastest solution to the harm this causes to all other affected customers I can think of.
So do you think it's good idea for Amazon / Google reputation to cease their service to any SaaS if kremlin dont like it? Unlike many smaller players Telegram might actually afford to pay for even millions of new IPs in thousands of subnets.
Well, they've done it with others before, so it's kinda expected.
And it also shows why relying on AWS or GCP is a horrible business decision.
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#23Hm, does that mean other IMs gave their encryption keys to Russian government? Also could someone from Russia confirm telegram/AWS are blocked?
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#24A few months ago I read an article about Telegram and their related companies and individuals. [1]
The article read like a mix between a nerdy James Bond story, a bad Law and Order episode, a Mexican soap opera and a Russian episode of Cribs.
It was written by an ex-employee so I took it with a grain of salt.
Nevertheless, the article brings up a lot of red flags and shady behavior. Combined with their (alleged) connection with the Russian government, roll-your-own-crypto and the recent >billion dollar ICO it doesn't really make me all that willing to use Telegram any time soon.
[1] https://medium.com/@anton.rozenberg/pavel-durov-sued-senior-...
Re: Russia Bans 1.8M Amazon and Google IPs in Attempt to Block Telegram
#25Hm, does that mean other IMs gave their encryption keys to Russian government? Also could someone from Russia confirm telegram/AWS are blocked?
Hello I’m from Russia. And yes, local authorities started blocking telegram IPs. It doesn’t work without proxy/vpn.
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#26Why block Telegram and not .. all the others? Whatsapp, Signal, Viber, ... Are they objecting to the use of encryption? Because everyone uses encryption almost all the time for everything everywhere. The cat has been well and truly released from that bag. Are they just going to turn off the internet altogether?
Re: Russia Bans 1.8M Amazon and Google IPs in Attempt to Block Telegram
#27How long until all countries firewall off and whole reason for creating the internet is completely lost.
The sad part is that it's not just authoritarian countries that are doing this, but also the democratic ones, in a foolish effort to stop "fake news" or "terrorism propaganda".
And the "better" AI is going to get, the easier it will be for them to call for such censorship, especially when people like Zuckerberg say they can already "stop 99% of the terrorist posts automatically".
Because that's most definitely misleading and wrong, unless we can actually review what that content was. Like I bet a large portion of those posts were not posts by terrorists, but posts about terrorists. I don't think the AIs we have today can distinguish between them very well. And at least a small portion probably had very little to do with terrorism, but maybe were posts from people in the same area as some terrorists, or stuff like that.
The AI will automatically block content that nobody will ever see. And we'll only depend on people who can somehow raise awareness that their content was blocked, produce a scandal, and then get the companies to unblock it (assuming the censorship will mostly be done by private companies in democratic countries). But this is not going to be a pretty future.
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#28So what can telegram do if google and amazon bans them in Russia?
Use azure?
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#29Hm, does that mean other IMs gave their encryption keys to Russian government? Also could someone from Russia confirm telegram/AWS are blocked?
Maybe they just don't have enough balls to go after the biggest ones (WhatsApp and Viber). Plus, other IMs don't have public channels anyone can subscribe to. IIRC that was the original problem, "extremist" channels. Why did they ask for encryption keys instead of blocking channels? Who knows lol.
Telegram still works without (manually adding) proxies :D
EC2 Ireland (at least the subnets where my servers are) also works.
Re: Russia Bans 1.8M Amazon and Google IPs in Attempt to Block Telegram
#30Why block Telegram and not .. all the others? Whatsapp, Signal, Viber, ... Are they objecting to the use of encryption? Because everyone uses encryption almost all the time for everything everywhere. The cat has been well and truly released from that bag. Are they just going to turn off the internet altogether?
That's what's going to happen. Various localities will shut off encrypted passageways altogether because they control the pipes. They will create a corporate-like intranet where they monitor everything.