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Mark Zuckerberg is either lying, incompetent,or an inept CEO. What do you think?

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg is either lying, incompetent,or an inept CEO. What do you think?

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Post by aaroninsf »

dannyw wrote: post #11
Dowwie wrote: post #10

There's a strong bias against Zuckerberg and Facebook around here so I expect that my comment will down-vote into negative territory, yet this won't stop me from expressing my opinion. Mark has transcended from hacker-programmer to entrepreneur and ultimately CEO of one of the world's largest, most successful tech-media companies. He's done so before turning 40 years old. The world is watching him testify for days on…

This is one way to put it, but another way would be clarifying that Facebook is a dark-pattern filled, dopamine-tuned, unethical, illegal, and sometimes wilfully criminal social network. While this was back ages ago, Zuckerberg used failed logins from Facebook to hack into a reporter’s email. Yes, Facebook captured plaintext passwords of failed logins, and Zuckerberg personally used them to hack a reporter’s email ac…

Agree 100%, which I would summarize as:

To answer the original question, he's lying.

Which is 100% consistent with the career path described in glowing terms. In today's web which is in SaaS social media at minimum, is in the business of surveillance. Lying about that is axiomatic.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg is either lying, incompetent,or an inept CEO. What do you think?

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Post by peterashford »

Dowwie wrote: post #10

There's a strong bias against Zuckerberg and Facebook around here so I expect that my comment will down-vote into negative territory, yet this won't stop me from expressing my opinion. Mark has transcended from hacker-programmer to entrepreneur and ultimately CEO of one of the world's largest, most successful tech-media companies. He's done so before turning 40 years old. The world is watching him testify for days on…

"earned his position"? No, he lucked out. He made a product to rate people on their looks. It caught on in unexpected ways that are all to do with technology and society combining in unexpected and unpredictable ways. This idea that everyone who succeeds does so entirely on their own merits is an especially north American delusion and is an obvious fallacy (it's an example of Survivor Bias)

Re: Mark Zuckerberg is either lying, incompetent,or an inept CEO. What do you think?

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Post by lostsock »

1. Facebook have just come out with an entire release about what data is and is not tracked when you're not on their site[1].

2. Armchair developers always throw out things like this: "A few if-else statements would remove most of them and would provide at least a temporary solution.". Sure, you could do a keyword search for "pills" and delete all of those ads. How many legitimate ads will you take down in the process? How many extra support requests will they have to deal with because of the change? How long until the spammers change the wording ever so slightly to defeat Facebook s naive workaround?

3. Facebook doesn't directly give data to advertisers, that's what Zuckerberg was saying, and OP acknowledges as much. The fact that advertisers can infer data about users by using the system is a feature, not a bug. The very fact that you can do targeted advertising is of course going to leak some data about users to advertisers, it's not Zuckerberg's job to explicitly state that.

[1] https://newsroom.fb.com/news/2018/04/data-off-facebook/

Re: Mark Zuckerberg is either lying, incompetent,or an inept CEO. What do you think?

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Post by tpxl »

lostsock wrote: post #26

1. Facebook have just come out with an entire release about what data is and is not tracked when you're not on their site[1]. 2. Armchair developers always throw out things like this: "A few if-else statements would remove most of them and would provide at least a temporary solution.". Sure, you could do a keyword search for "pills" and delete all of those ads. How many legitimate ads will you take down in the proces…

2. Bollocks. A few if-else statements to flag the ads, then have humans approve/reject them. This could, and in fact is, done today (but not by facebook obviously).
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