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Mark Zuckerberg is either lying, incompetent,or an inept CEO. What do you think?

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg is either lying, incompetent,or an inept CEO. What do you think?

#11

Post by dannyw »

Dowwie wrote: post #10

There's a strong bias against Zuckerberg and Facebook around here so I expect that my comment will down-vote into negative territory, yet this won't stop me from expressing my opinion. Mark has transcended from hacker-programmer to entrepreneur and ultimately CEO of one of the world's largest, most successful tech-media companies. He's done so before turning 40 years old. The world is watching him testify for days on…

This is one way to put it, but another way would be clarifying that Facebook is a dark-pattern filled, dopamine-tuned, unethical, illegal, and sometimes wilfully criminal social network.

While this was back ages ago, Zuckerberg used failed logins from Facebook to hack into a reporter’s email. Yes, Facebook captured plaintext passwords of failed logins, and Zuckerberg personally used them to hack a reporter’s email account who was digging into FB.

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/how-mark-zuckerberg-hacke...

The problem isn’t scaling pains as you try to wrap. The problem IS Facebook, and almost everything about it.

Examples: Pledge 99% (for-profit, tax structuring), Internet.org (locking in of Facebook; closed intranet as ‘internet’); anticompetitive actions against Snapchat through copying of stories; and the 999+ privacy scandals that have continuously plagued Facebook because it is the core business model.

For you to call Zuckerberg commendable, is almost an insult for every founder with a moral compass.

He is certainly competent, but “commendable” is the exact antonym of what I’d use to describe him.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg is either lying, incompetent,or an inept CEO. What do you think?

#12

Post by Dowwie »

dannyw wrote: post #11
Dowwie wrote: post #10

There's a strong bias against Zuckerberg and Facebook around here so I expect that my comment will down-vote into negative territory, yet this won't stop me from expressing my opinion. Mark has transcended from hacker-programmer to entrepreneur and ultimately CEO of one of the world's largest, most successful tech-media companies. He's done so before turning 40 years old. The world is watching him testify for days on…

This is one way to put it, but another way would be clarifying that Facebook is a dark-pattern filled, dopamine-tuned, unethical, illegal, and sometimes wilfully criminal social network. While this was back ages ago, Zuckerberg used failed logins from Facebook to hack into a reporter’s email. Yes, Facebook captured plaintext passwords of failed logins, and Zuckerberg personally used them to hack a reporter’s email ac…

Thanks for commenting. After reading your response, I added "his actions while testifying" to be more clear, although I was speaking to them in the rest of my piece.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg is either lying, incompetent,or an inept CEO. What do you think?

#13

Post by dannyw »

Dowwie wrote: post #12
dannyw wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is one way to put it, but another way would be clarifying that Facebook is a dark-pattern filled, dopamine-tuned, unethical, illegal, and sometimes wilfully criminal social network. While this was back ages ago, Zuckerberg used failed logins from Facebook to hack into a reporter’s email. Yes, Facebook captured plaintext passwords of failed logins, and Zuckerberg personally used them to hack a reporter’s email ac…

Thanks for commenting. After reading your response, I added "his actions while testifying " to be more clear, although I was speaking to them in the rest of my piece.

Ah, that is fair and I agree with you. His actions while testifying is what I'd call respectable, especially since the session is really just for show - partly for both sides.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg is either lying, incompetent,or an inept CEO. What do you think?

#14

Post by m-p-3 »

Dowwie wrote: post #10

There's a strong bias against Zuckerberg and Facebook around here so I expect that my comment will down-vote into negative territory, yet this won't stop me from expressing my opinion. Mark has transcended from hacker-programmer to entrepreneur and ultimately CEO of one of the world's largest, most successful tech-media companies. He's done so before turning 40 years old. The world is watching him testify for days on…

> Mark has transcended from hacker-programmer to entrepreneur and ultimately CEO of one of the world's largest, most successful tech-media companies. He's done so before turning 40 years old.

Yet I still think the company evolved much faster than he did, and he's getting overwhelmed in a position he's no longer fit for.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg is either lying, incompetent,or an inept CEO. What do you think?

#15

Post by gautamdivgi »

mankash666 wrote: post #6

None of the above. He wasn't likely lying as he was under oath, and his very competent lawyers would've advised him strongly against perjury. He's obviously neither incompetent nor inept. He successfully navigated a Congressional sideshow and delivered the expectation that shareholders had, much to the chagrin of end users. The only ones lying, incompetent and inept are us - those who continue to use Facebook fully k…

Have they finally implemented a delete account feature? I deactivated my account and deleted the app from my devices many years ago. But there was no delete account or “forget me” feature. Even if you get rid of fb you aren’t really forgotten by fb

Re: Mark Zuckerberg is either lying, incompetent,or an inept CEO. What do you think?

#16

Post by be_jenk »

sametmax wrote: post #4

It's not even a serious question. He is lying because he is a competent ceo. He has objectives in an hostile environnement for his business but knows it will pass and that as long as he holds, people will move and forget. Lying is necessary if you want to keep doing something for your benefit that people would think you should not.

This is a good point. Bore them to death and watch it fizzle out

Re: Mark Zuckerberg is either lying, incompetent,or an inept CEO. What do you think?

#17

Post by btcindivist »

gautamdivgi wrote: post #15
mankash666 wrote: post #6

None of the above. He wasn't likely lying as he was under oath, and his very competent lawyers would've advised him strongly against perjury. He's obviously neither incompetent nor inept. He successfully navigated a Congressional sideshow and delivered the expectation that shareholders had, much to the chagrin of end users. The only ones lying, incompetent and inept are us - those who continue to use Facebook fully k…

Have they finally implemented a delete account feature? I deactivated my account and deleted the app from my devices many years ago. But there was no delete account or “forget me” feature. Even if you get rid of fb you aren’t really forgotten by fb

There is deactivate and delete option for years now.

Zuckerberg stated that they delete all of the data after user deletes their account (not deactivate).

Re: Mark Zuckerberg is either lying, incompetent,or an inept CEO. What do you think?

#18

Post by nobleach »

Dowwie wrote: post #10

There's a strong bias against Zuckerberg and Facebook around here so I expect that my comment will down-vote into negative territory, yet this won't stop me from expressing my opinion. Mark has transcended from hacker-programmer to entrepreneur and ultimately CEO of one of the world's largest, most successful tech-media companies. He's done so before turning 40 years old. The world is watching him testify for days on…

> ...with integrity

I can't really agree here. To believe that _you_ have the right to delete things, but the unwashed laity that use your network do not, represents a complete lack of integrity. Believing that _you_ should be allowed to own all the property around you, so that you can have a sense of privacy, and accept that your company wants to lobby for the use of private medical records to build better profiles on your users... that's disgusting.

But I agree that all of this outrage will amount to nothing. I deleted my account in early 2017, but I know my data still resides on their servers, and is used to some sort of advantage. It's easier to leave the mafia....

Re: Mark Zuckerberg is either lying, incompetent,or an inept CEO. What do you think?

#20

Post by staticautomatic »

Dowwie wrote: post #10

There's a strong bias against Zuckerberg and Facebook around here so I expect that my comment will down-vote into negative territory, yet this won't stop me from expressing my opinion. Mark has transcended from hacker-programmer to entrepreneur and ultimately CEO of one of the world's largest, most successful tech-media companies. He's done so before turning 40 years old. The world is watching him testify for days on…

Integrity? Have you seen his notes?
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