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It’s time to give Firefox a fresh chance

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Re: It’s time to give Firefox a fresh chance

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Post by rectang »

watty wrote: post #83
rbag wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My same analogy with cars would be : "Would you drive a car produced by Exxon". Google interest is not the web, it's its own profit.

Mozilla made 530M in 2016 - they're a company. Firefox is is a strategical business decision. Their interest in the web is the exact same interest as Google's in the web. $$$.

Mozilla is constrained by its non-profit structure, its open source licensing, and its high organizational transparency. While Mozilla's interests can be analyzed in terms of $$$ (or "power", or ...), such analysis is reductive and lossy. It's not meaningless, but it offers limited insight.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox a fresh chance

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Post by mrspeaker »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #56

I never gave up on Firefox. I always knew Google Chrome was sending back telemetry data or whatever and never looked back. Also with how many sites are "only working in Chrome" these days I still hold the claim that Chrome is working itself to being the next IE in terms of breaking the web for people using other browsers. I still hold respect for Chrome in other areas though. Firefox was always complained about but h…

I switched back to Firefox a while ago (because I pledged to switch to whichever was the first browser to implement arrow-functions!) - but I doubled down on sticking with it after running Little Snitch for a while. Google is very aggressive on how ofter it pings its servers looking for updates: they're really keen to ensure my software isn't more than 30 minutes out of date, for some reason.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox a fresh chance

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Post by tialaramex »

ktpsns wrote: post #98
watty wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mozilla made 530M in 2016 - they're a company. Firefox is is a strategical business decision. Their interest in the web is the exact same interest as Google's in the web. $$$.

Mozilla is a non-profit organisation.

More details: Mozilla is a non-profit, the Mozilla Foundation, which owns a for-profit, the Mozilla Corporation.

This is necessary because the non-profit isn't allowed to do certain things, but a for-profit can, and the non-profit is allowed to own a for-profit.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox a fresh chance

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Post by qznc »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #56

I never gave up on Firefox. I always knew Google Chrome was sending back telemetry data or whatever and never looked back. Also with how many sites are "only working in Chrome" these days I still hold the claim that Chrome is working itself to being the next IE in terms of breaking the web for people using other browsers. I still hold respect for Chrome in other areas though. Firefox was always complained about but h…

Viewing pdfs was a big difference some time ago. Nowadays Firefox seems to have catched up.

While I switched back to Firefox as well, I still miss Chrome's print dialog. It looks much simpler, yet does everything I need with a lot less clicks.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox a fresh chance

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Post by tomcooks »

It's a pity Mozilla is pushing for a dumbed down version of its core principles, if I were them I'd:

- drop the whole cartoonish nonsense, childish errors such as "Hmm. We’re having trouble finding that site." should be swapped back to something more useful (or at least give me an HTTP error to look up on top of that stupid cartoon)

- quit pushing for pocket and other proprietary nonsense

- stop messing with user data to please tv series marketing teams

- stop babysitting the user with paternalizing "you've been using the computer too long" health-conscious snippets

Give me back the browser for nerds I need to get stuff done, make me fall back in love with FF.

(full disclosure: posted from FF)

Re: It’s time to give Firefox a fresh chance

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Post by crbelaus »

I want to use Firefox for everything. Unfortunately my company relies a lot on Google Hangouts and Meet for video calls. Google has implemented both in a way that seems to be incompatible with Firefox (I know that the non corporate version of Hangouts works with Firefox since a few months ago).

Re: It’s time to give Firefox a fresh chance

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Post by jazoom »

glogla wrote: post #38

Here's my favorite metaphor to explain Chrome and Firefox. So, imagine you have two cars to chose from. The first car, called Chrome, is really cool - it's quick, it's nice, it's reliable, it's comfortable. There's just one thing. There's a guy on the back seat. He's always there. He writes down wherever you're going. When you go shopping, he makes a copy of the receipt. When you drive with someone, he listens to the…

Unfortunately the Firefox car, running on Android fuel, has awfully weird driving (scrolling) physics that for some reason are different to every other car. If they fixed that I might be inclined to have another look, but they've had many years and still haven't addressed it.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox a fresh chance

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Post by chiefalchemist »

vermaden wrote: post #78
giancarlostoro wrote: post #56

I never gave up on Firefox. I always knew Google Chrome was sending back telemetry data or whatever and never looked back. Also with how many sites are "only working in Chrome" these days I still hold the claim that Chrome is working itself to being the next IE in terms of breaking the web for people using other browsers. I still hold respect for Chrome in other areas though. Firefox was always complained about but h…

> I always knew Google Chrome was sending back telemetry data or whatever and never looked back. Then You may want to try Iridium which is privacy and security oriented Chrome fork.

Can Iridum do multi-user the way Chrome does? I have different Chrome users configured for different things. That, AFAIK, makes FF a no go for me.
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