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In a Leaked Memo, Apple Warns Employees to Stop Leaking Information

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Re: In a Leaked Memo, Apple Warns Employees to Stop Leaking Information

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Post by lern_too_spel »

michaelmrose wrote: post #215
nosequel wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait what? Snowden never turned himself in. Snowden ran for the hills right into the arms of rival intelligence. Please don't confusing cowardly running with the act of committing suicide by sword to the stomach. Whether you agree with Snowden or not, he still committed a crime and broke a contract he signed and swore to. Manning at least spent her day in court. Yeah they are different, Snowden was a coward. If he tr…

You call someone who threw away their future,their peace of mind, and any hope of a normal life to expose wrongdoing a coward for not also throwing away his life. " If he truly did it for the good of the world, he'd turn himself in because of the reward he has already gotten by sharing information he felt like the world needed." This is offensively manipulative nonsense. Wanting to avoid being thrown in a hole and to…

He ran to Hong Kong and immediately leaked a list of compromised Chinese computer systems to the SCMP. He wanted protection from the Chinese government, but he didn't get it. Instead, he ended up getting protection from Putin.

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Post by soneil »

jadedhacker wrote: post #37
yodon wrote: post #14

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>I’ve never understood what the employee gets out of it The intelligence services have done a great deal of research into the persona of the press leaker/Wikileaks leaker (as distinct from the more traditional espionage leaker). A common trait is for the press leaker to be either highly over-qualified for their job or believe themselves to be over-qualified for their job. The belief coming out of that research is a s…

I'm a little skeptical. The intelligence services would say something that would make you skeptical of the motivations of leakers. If they're selfishly motivated the public doesn't mind them being locked up and put into isolation and tortured in ways that don't leave a mark. The leakers that come to mind immediately are Edward Snowden and Chelsea Manning whom both suffered greatly for their leaks (Snowden had to leav…

> The intelligence services would say something that would make you skeptical of the motivations of leakers.

I'd assume most intelligence services love leakers. They just want to be the recipient, not the source.

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Post by bitL »

yodon wrote: post #14
IBM wrote: post #2

Somewhat ironic that this memo got leaked but I think in this case it actually serves their purpose for it to be read by everyone (including potential employees). I think this part is key and is something I've always wondered about: >While it may seem flattering to be approached, it’s important to remember that you’re getting played. The success of these outsiders is measured by obtaining Apple’s secrets from you and…

>I’ve never understood what the employee gets out of it The intelligence services have done a great deal of research into the persona of the press leaker/Wikileaks leaker (as distinct from the more traditional espionage leaker). A common trait is for the press leaker to be either highly over-qualified for their job or believe themselves to be over-qualified for their job. The belief coming out of that research is a s…

I think here you should probably distinguish between leaking a cool tech gadget plans/prototypes (those are likely ego driven or just by childish joy of sharing), and those leaks that expose some atrocities (that might be instead moral outrage-based).

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Post by ebullientocelot »

mombul wrote: post #216
ebullientocelot wrote: post #206

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I agree that money probably isn't the thing. I would imagine the average Apple engineer would realize that the payment for leaking would have to be massive to offset the damage to career / loss of earnings from the damned good job they already have. Maybe it's the sense of getting away with something? Like a super lame, mundane version of Thomas Crown--life is going well in pretty much every category so raise a littl…

One can be smart enough to work at Apple and also be dumb in a lot of ways. It's easy being manipulated ("nobody will know it was from you! you're a confidential source"), and it's definitely easy to think of yourself above all laws, or at least too smart to ever get caught.

That's completely fair.

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Post by musage »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #231
michaelmrose wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You call someone who threw away their future,their peace of mind, and any hope of a normal life to expose wrongdoing a coward for not also throwing away his life. " If he truly did it for the good of the world, he'd turn himself in because of the reward he has already gotten by sharing information he felt like the world needed." This is offensively manipulative nonsense. Wanting to avoid being thrown in a hole and to…

He ran to Hong Kong and immediately leaked a list of compromised Chinese computer systems to the SCMP. He wanted protection from the Chinese government, but he didn't get it. Instead, he ended up getting protection from Putin.

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Re: In a Leaked Memo, Apple Warns Employees to Stop Leaking Information

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Post by nosequel »

uuuyno wrote: post #224
nosequel wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait what? Snowden never turned himself in. Snowden ran for the hills right into the arms of rival intelligence. Please don't confusing cowardly running with the act of committing suicide by sword to the stomach. Whether you agree with Snowden or not, he still committed a crime and broke a contract he signed and swore to. Manning at least spent her day in court. Yeah they are different, Snowden was a coward. If he tr…

I’m stunned someone with the intelligence to type and use a computer could hold this view. You must be heavily influenced by things you’ve read/heard others say. As a human being - just imagine what you might do... Perhaps you’ll begin to realise how palpably absurd your suggestion that someone must be a coward for not taking their beating is.

> I’m stunned someone with the intelligence to type and use a computer could hold this view.

Shocker, people have different opinions on the internet. Most intelligent people do in fact think for themselves.

> You must be heavily influenced by things you’ve read/heard others say.

I'm heavily influenced by taking the same oath as he once did and Manning did. You are given a choice to have a TS/SCI clearance, you can say "no thanks" at many many points in the process. Once given that choice it is up to you do decide whether or not you follow the rules you signed up for. He chose to be treasonous, much like Manning. I'm not arguing about whether that choice was the right one or not, that does not matter. Unlike Manning, he gave intelligence away to foreign countries in hopes they would protect him and he didn't have his day in court. He life is ruined because his plan backfired, that is on him, no one else.

So yes, I'm heavily influenced, but by experiences I know about, unlike most. He committed treason, that fact is inarguable, and I believe he should've stayed home and argued his case in court. Manning did, she is now a free woman.

I know I'm not going to change your mind, that isn't my intention, but I'm also going to defend my own intelligence. Lifetip: not everyone who disagrees with you is a moron. Have a nice day.

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Post by andrewflnr »

sidlls wrote: post #98
jadedhacker wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a little skeptical. The intelligence services would say something that would make you skeptical of the motivations of leakers. If they're selfishly motivated the public doesn't mind them being locked up and put into isolation and tortured in ways that don't leave a mark. The leakers that come to mind immediately are Edward Snowden and Chelsea Manning whom both suffered greatly for their leaks (Snowden had to leav…

Ego and narcissism are perhaps the most common and strong traits in leakers and betrayers of confidence. Financial motives and motivations to avoid scandal pale in comparison. So much so that I find it laughable clearance investigations focus on the latter at all.

Maybe it's because scandal and money are the low hanging fruit that the current process successfully picks. Skepticism is warranted, laughter is not.

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Post by mygo »

krisoft wrote: post #141
solarkraft wrote: post #112

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By the same arguments their world fact book may be incredible.

I would agree with you that it's quite extraordinary. :) Joking aside. I think the difference lies in how easily an adversary can refute the information. You can just call up a library or an embassy to verify most claims in the world factbook. How would you get access to a wide selection of leakers?

the world factbook is unbelievable.

also, just because an adversary is denying information does not mean that they themselves are being truthful.

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Post by tomaskafka »

cromwellian wrote: post #194
fastball wrote: post #192

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Which phone had actually usable/secure fingerprint auth before the iPhone?

The fingerprint sensor made by Authentec, was the centerpiece of a Motorola Moto X1 and slated to be in Google's Nexus 6 before Apple bought their supplier, effectively preventing the release. That's why those devices were released with a dimple where the fingerprint sensor was going to be, even though there was nothing in that spot where the finger rests. That is to say, TouchID capacitive fingerprint scanning was g…

Wow, I didn't know this story, thanks!

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Post by duckmysick »

walrus01 wrote: post #218
lifeformed wrote: post #217

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If people are aware of this, what if someone finds the variations, and modifies the document and then leaks it, framing someone else for the leak?

You would have to be in possession of the index of which unique modification correlates with which person or group it was distributed to, which is usually knowledge only held by the creators of the salted documents.

Not necessarily. You don't need to randomly change the structure of the memo. You just need to leak a version of the memo that someone else received. It's not that hard to believe that someone would leave their account unattended for a moment.
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