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Re: Apple Sued an iPhone Repair Shop Owner in Norway and Lost

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Post by beenBoutIT » Fri, Apr 13, 2018, 9:41 PM UTC

Reason077 wrote: post #115

"Norway’s customs officials had seized a shipment of 63 iPhone 6 and 6S replacement screens on their way to Henrik’s shop from Asia and alerted Apple; the company said they were counterfeit." Wow, talk about snitches! Has anyone notified Apple about amazon.com? Pretty sure they're selling 'counterfeit' iPhone screens too.

Apple determined 90% of the Apple chargers sold on Amazon were fakes, but it seems to only be going after individual sellers as opposed to Amazon. http://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2016/10/apple-su...

Re: Apple Sued an iPhone Repair Shop Owner in Norway and Lost

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Post by perl4ever » Fri, Apr 13, 2018, 9:46 PM UTC

greedo wrote: post #196

perl4ever wrote: post #188

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Well, automakers don't literally do that, but they might suggest you use the specific oil, coolant, or brake fluid that the dealer has. Sometimes much cheaper products are perfectly good and sometimes not. I have an old car that requires a particular type of automatic transmission fluid for the power steering system. People who don't research it and use generic "power steering fluid" say it can lead to leaking seals.…

And I as the owner of said car am within my rights to use/do whatever I want to maintain it. I wouldn't expect the manufacturer to fix anything, I screwed up, but if I want to pour sand into the gas tank, I can.

The real world problem is that it can be difficult or well-nigh impossible to trace back the causes of mechanical problems. If we had a foolproof way to do that, it would transform the used car business, as well as warranty claims and other stuff.

Re: Apple Sued an iPhone Repair Shop Owner in Norway and Lost

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Post by beenBoutIT » Fri, Apr 13, 2018, 9:49 PM UTC

linuxftw wrote: post #82

Every time someone purchases an Apple product, they are endorsing their practices, whether wittingly or unwittingly. Time and time again, we have observed that patents are a tool of the haves to prevent competition from the have-nots. While this case may have been about 'trademark' infringement, it's clear that if patents didn't exist one could procure genuine replacement parts that don't 'infringe' on Apple's tradem…

Wherever she or he is, the next 'Steve Jobs/Steve Wozniak' is not an Apple fan and has zero interest in ever working at Apple.

Re: Apple Sued an iPhone Repair Shop Owner in Norway and Lost

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Post by blattimwind » Fri, Apr 13, 2018, 9:52 PM UTC

nothrabannosir wrote: post #185

beenBoutIT wrote: post #157

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If you look at The current situation with ThinkPads it's obvious why no OEM would want to end up where Lenovo is now. ThinkPads built a decade ago are so durable and well-built with readily available replacement parts that they will most likely never go away entirely. CPUs haven't improved enough to make them a compelling argument for upgrading, and the end result is that modern day Lenovo is stuck competing with its…

Those Thinkpads were built by IBM. Lenovo took a stallion of a brand and drove it face down into the ground. I tried to stay with Lenovo, but after the endless waves of shitware, spyware and low quality hardware (!) I had to give up. Thinkpad’s great name is thanks to IBM, and perhaps , maybe, a bit of early Lenovo. Maybe. If Lenovo is competing with anything, it’s with IBM.

> Those Thinkpads were built by IBM. Lenovo took a stallion of a brand and drove it face down into the ground.

I don't think this is particularly true, 2009-2012 era hardware designed/built by Lenovo/Quanta is also around in plentiful numbers.

Re: Apple Sued an iPhone Repair Shop Owner in Norway and Lost

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Post by beenBoutIT » Fri, Apr 13, 2018, 9:54 PM UTC

manmal wrote: post #136

bluescrn wrote: post #70

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And with rumours of Apple moving to ARM chips for their laptops, they could well try to take the opportunity to lock out unsigned code entirely... Before long they could even choose to make you buy an expensive Mac Pro or iMac Pro, or even require an 'iOS dev kit' if you want to develop for their platform. And if Microsoft had succeeded in the mobile/tablet space, they'd be doing exactly the same...

My MB Pro cost 2.5k, and I use it primarily to develop for iOS, so there you have your expensive dev kit.

Another 1k for the iPhone X for debugging.

Re: Apple Sued an iPhone Repair Shop Owner in Norway and Lost

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Post by jerrac » Fri, Apr 13, 2018, 9:59 PM UTC

kevin_b_er wrote: post #61

mattsfrey wrote: post #30

"Apple does not ‘own’ the product after they have sold it" I think this is the crux of the issue. The guy was importing refurbished parts with the logos covered even. They weren't counterfeits. How does a manufacturer have the right to sue for copyright infringement when it's just end users reselling authentic parts? The owner even states he in no way markets them as OEM parts. Frankly I think it's pretty obvious app…

Because corporations are trying to erode the concept of ownership itself for the common human. Copyright and trademark are the vehicles they're use to attempt to deny you the fundamental notion of ownership. The corporations are getting quite close to it in the US.

Nice to see someone else shares that view. Though, it's not just the corporations. Our Government is in on the action as well. I'd love to see that eminent domain Supreme Court ruling overturned...

Re: Apple Sued an iPhone Repair Shop Owner in Norway and Lost

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Post by nexz » Fri, Apr 13, 2018, 10:01 PM UTC

linuxftw wrote: post #82

Every time someone purchases an Apple product, they are endorsing their practices, whether wittingly or unwittingly. Time and time again, we have observed that patents are a tool of the haves to prevent competition from the have-nots. While this case may have been about 'trademark' infringement, it's clear that if patents didn't exist one could procure genuine replacement parts that don't 'infringe' on Apple's tradem…

>Every time someone purchases an Apple product, they are endorsing their practices, whether wittingly or unwittingly.

Well, it's either that or Android... so yes I think I'll stick with Apple. I am also sad that there's no alternative, but what can I do? I already bought a WP when I had some hope they could succeed but they never did. :(

Re: Apple Sued an iPhone Repair Shop Owner in Norway and Lost

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Post by oarsinsync » Fri, Apr 13, 2018, 10:17 PM UTC

beenBoutIT wrote: post #195

atonse wrote: post #97

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You can't do that with a 2015 MacBook. Everything is soldered on. Are the iFixit parts genuine? I have no idea.

This is actually much better than their previous designs which had 'replaceable parts' that by design would generally destroy the motherboard when replaced by technically-inclined users or non-Apple repair people. Now there isn't an illusion of repairability bundled with a false sense of defeat upon encountering failure.

I'm not sure it's better that GP wouldn't have been able to do what he did successfully, because other people might have failed thinking they could succeed.

Just because some people might fail at certain tasks thinking they could perform aftermarket changes (so long my Palm IIIx and iPhone 3G) doesn't mean all people will fail at these things (wayhey hello new screen on my Thinkpad and significantly improved wifi on my XPS).

Meanwhile my MacBook Air now gathers dust and I was forced to fork out significantly more money for a MacBook Pro just to double the RAM from 4GB to 8GB. There's only one winner there (well, arguably two, as I still got a new laptop out of it...)

Re: Apple Sued an iPhone Repair Shop Owner in Norway and Lost

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Post by zaroth » Fri, Apr 13, 2018, 10:17 PM UTC

dpkonofa wrote: post #155

zaroth wrote: post #51

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It would be like when the capacitor blew on my A/C condenser if I would be forced to replace the whole unit instead of the $10 part. It’s important that people know if they are getting 3rd party or refurbished parts, but it’s equally important for people to have the right to use 3rd party and refurbished parts if they so choose — with the only restriction of having the necessary safety/compliance markings.

That's not analogous at all. Apple is not stopping people from repairing their devices with 3rd party or refurbished parts. The parts in the OP article were branded as Apple parts (logo and everything) but were not actual Apple parts. That's why Apple is asking for receipts and purchase orders. They want the guy to prove that he's buying the parts from them if he's telling customers that they're genuine Apple parts.…

That wasn't my understanding from reading the article... I read it to mean that they were refurbished Apple parts, but not refurbished by Apple. A screen assembled by a third party consisting of some parts made by Apple with the Apple logo, but the assembly of the completed part was not done by Apple. But TFA is really not clear at all on this point.

My capacitor analogy was more to the point of Apple being against microsoldering repairs where individual components are replaced instead of the entire board.

Re: Apple Sued an iPhone Repair Shop Owner in Norway and Lost

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Post by StudentStuff » Fri, Apr 13, 2018, 10:27 PM UTC

blattimwind wrote: post #204

nothrabannosir wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those Thinkpads were built by IBM. Lenovo took a stallion of a brand and drove it face down into the ground. I tried to stay with Lenovo, but after the endless waves of shitware, spyware and low quality hardware (!) I had to give up. Thinkpad’s great name is thanks to IBM, and perhaps , maybe, a bit of early Lenovo. Maybe. If Lenovo is competing with anything, it’s with IBM.

> Those Thinkpads were built by IBM. Lenovo took a stallion of a brand and drove it face down into the ground. I don't think this is particularly true, 2009-2012 era hardware designed/built by Lenovo/Quanta is also around in plentiful numbers.

The Thinkpad T440 and newer are easier to work on than the T400 thru T430. You can do a heck of a lot more while removing fewer screws. than in older Thinkpads.