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Apple Sued an iPhone Repair Shop Owner in Norway and Lost

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Re: Apple Sued an iPhone Repair Shop Owner in Norway and Lost

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Post by Qub3d »

rmev wrote: post #71
geezerjay wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They want people who bought iphone to have the best experience they prepared for them. It's quite obvious that, to put it mildly, that's wishful thinking inspired by a heavily rose-tainted view of Apple. Meanwhile, Apple is known for their extreme price gouging complemented with extreme actions to stop even their very own customers from even repairing their broken products, let alone upgrade them to a usable state.

>using meme arrows

The "greater than" or right bracket is used as a standard inline quote symbol and has been since before image boorus or chans existed.

Re: Apple Sued an iPhone Repair Shop Owner in Norway and Lost

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Post by jandrese »

vkou wrote: post #68
comboy wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think they want to squeeze every cent. I think they just care about the brand. They want people who bought iphone to have the best experience they prepared for them. Even if you buy some used iphone. If somebody buys some used iphone and it acts weird or the build quality seems imperfect because some parts were replaced, then this person may spread opinion that iphones suck. I'd guess that's their reasoning.…

> They want people who bought iPhone to have the best experience they prepared for them. Since when is buying a deliberately un-maintainable device 'the best experience'? I would call that anti-user.

That problem only comes up when you need to repair the phone. The out of box experience is more important to Apple.

Re: Apple Sued an iPhone Repair Shop Owner in Norway and Lost

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Post by vkou »

comboy wrote: post #81
vkou wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They want people who bought iPhone to have the best experience they prepared for them. Since when is buying a deliberately un-maintainable device 'the best experience'? I would call that anti-user.

It's the choice some people make. I think user experience is very subjective. I love the user experience that Gentoo provides me, but others will feel better with Windows 10. I didn't mean to say that it's objectively the best experience.

As a user, there is zero benefit to me when an Apple software update bricks my device because I replaced its screen at a third-party shop.

This is not subjective, this is not an argument over whether or not their laptops should have a replaceable battery. This is a blatant cash grab by them, at my expense. I gain nothing from this decision.

This practice may also be illegal in Europe.

Re: Apple Sued an iPhone Repair Shop Owner in Norway and Lost

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Post by cavanasm »

IBM wrote: post #87
comboy wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think they want to squeeze every cent. I think they just care about the brand. They want people who bought iphone to have the best experience they prepared for them. Even if you buy some used iphone. If somebody buys some used iphone and it acts weird or the build quality seems imperfect because some parts were replaced, then this person may spread opinion that iphones suck. I'd guess that's their reasoning.…

Well you have the right to do what you want with it. That's the thing about "Right To Repair", you already have the right to do it now. It's not illegal to open up your iPhone and replace a broken screen, Apple just doesn't support it by selling you genuine parts.

And they'll sue you if you try to buy genuine parts that they rejected in QA that are not being advertised as genuine.

Re: Apple Sued an iPhone Repair Shop Owner in Norway and Lost

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Post by eesmith »

comboy wrote: post #47
mattsfrey wrote: post #30

"Apple does not ‘own’ the product after they have sold it" I think this is the crux of the issue. The guy was importing refurbished parts with the logos covered even. They weren't counterfeits. How does a manufacturer have the right to sue for copyright infringement when it's just end users reselling authentic parts? The owner even states he in no way markets them as OEM parts. Frankly I think it's pretty obvious app…

I don't think they want to squeeze every cent. I think they just care about the brand. They want people who bought iphone to have the best experience they prepared for them. Even if you buy some used iphone. If somebody buys some used iphone and it acts weird or the build quality seems imperfect because some parts were replaced, then this person may spread opinion that iphones suck. I'd guess that's their reasoning.…

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Other fuels may contain additives which make your Ford™ engine seem imperfect. A few misguided people are tempted by the siren call of the independent fuel suppliers to use something other than the Ford™ fuel specially made for your needs. When things go wrong, they spread rumors that Ford™ vehicles suck, when it was simply their misguided fault.

And that's why, as the proud owner of a Ford™ vehicle, you must go to a Ford™ gasoline station to buy Ford™ fuel. That's Ford™ fuel, available from a Ford™ station somewhere in your state.

Re: Apple Sued an iPhone Repair Shop Owner in Norway and Lost

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Post by rasz »

comboy wrote: post #47
mattsfrey wrote: post #30

"Apple does not ‘own’ the product after they have sold it" I think this is the crux of the issue. The guy was importing refurbished parts with the logos covered even. They weren't counterfeits. How does a manufacturer have the right to sue for copyright infringement when it's just end users reselling authentic parts? The owner even states he in no way markets them as OEM parts. Frankly I think it's pretty obvious app…

I don't think they want to squeeze every cent. I think they just care about the brand. They want people who bought iphone to have the best experience they prepared for them. Even if you buy some used iphone. If somebody buys some used iphone and it acts weird or the build quality seems imperfect because some parts were replaced, then this person may spread opinion that iphones suck. I'd guess that's their reasoning.…

HAHAHA NO.

The first thing you are being told when becoming Apple Authorized Service provider is UP-SELL. Your main function and profit source is telling people "cant be repaired/repair will cost as much as new one, would you like this new model?"

Re: Apple Sued an iPhone Repair Shop Owner in Norway and Lost

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Post by atonse »

snowwrestler wrote: post #90
geezerjay wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They want people who bought iphone to have the best experience they prepared for them. It's quite obvious that, to put it mildly, that's wishful thinking inspired by a heavily rose-tainted view of Apple. Meanwhile, Apple is known for their extreme price gouging complemented with extreme actions to stop even their very own customers from even repairing their broken products, let alone upgrade them to a usable state.

> complemented with extreme actions to stop even their very own customers from even repairing their broken products Like what kind of actions? I can go to ifixit.com right now, order parts for my iPhone, order tools to work on my iPhone, and watch detailed instructions about how to repair my iPhone. (or Mac, or iPad, etc.) The products are NOT easy to work on, but I am not aware of any action that Apple has taken aga…

You can't do that with a 2015 MacBook. Everything is soldered on.

Are the iFixit parts genuine? I have no idea.

Re: Apple Sued an iPhone Repair Shop Owner in Norway and Lost

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Post by isostatic »

shkkmo wrote: post #50
mattsfrey wrote: post #40

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Technically that's just them locking you out of their distribution platform, I don't think they'd have a legal case against you though. People sell apps outside of the app store and haven't suffered any recourse from apple, at least not that I know of. EDIT: I guess you do have to technically agree to their terms to use the SDK and such, but if one were to get a hacked copy or whatever I think it'd be legal. They can…

How would a hacked copy make it more legal. Wouldn't using their software without a license also be illegal?

> Wouldn't using their software without a license also be illegal?

Which law?

Copying software without permission might be illegal - loading it from disk into memory isn't counted as copying btw - but running the software?

Re: Apple Sued an iPhone Repair Shop Owner in Norway and Lost

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Post by agumonkey »

in case you never saw them, Louis Rossman has many videos about apple products. I can accept a bit of excentric design when you're pushing the boundaries of style and thinness but some things are just mindblowingly flabbergasting (fragile keyboard and rivetted to chassis; as repairable as a renaissance painting)

Re: Apple Sued an iPhone Repair Shop Owner in Norway and Lost

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Post by roywiggins »

isostatic wrote: post #98
shkkmo wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How would a hacked copy make it more legal. Wouldn't using their software without a license also be illegal?

> Wouldn't using their software without a license also be illegal? Which law? Copying software without permission might be illegal - loading it from disk into memory isn't counted as copying btw - but running the software?

If there's any copy-protection, you'd need to circumvent it, so plausibly the DMCA.
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