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The murder that shook Iceland

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Re: The murder that shook Iceland

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Post by lumberjack »

oxymoron wrote: post #15
tom_mellior wrote: post #14

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Economic inequality perhaps? If you sort https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_income_eq... by "CIA Gini %" and skip the countries where there is no data in that column, then sort https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intention... by the "2010" column, then squint a bit at the top ten or twenty countries in each list, they look kinda correlated. (Or co-correlated with a whole bunch of other…

According to Stephen Pinker, the correlation between inequality and violence is weak. It really surprised me, because I always assumed that they’d be linked.

According to the data it is very strong. There are only few countries where there is both high economic inequality and low incidence of crime, and those countries are full blown dictatorships like North Korea.

Re: The murder that shook Iceland

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Post by selimthegrim »

pitiburi wrote: post #38
chrischen wrote: post #35

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Because there are clear counterpoints to that. Take the Phillipines, or Mexico. Those countries have high gun ownership, violence, and are pretty homogenous too. If you want a country with white people, take Russia (though I’m not sure how homogenous it is, it’s definitely not US levels of integration). Simply because some homogenous societies have low murder rates doesn’t mean all do, and does not mean the reason is…

You really, really have your data wrong. Obviously you have a cliché-type idea of what Mexico it's. http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2014/06/people-mexico-show-st...

Russians aren't homogeneous though?

Re: The murder that shook Iceland

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Post by rainworld »

s_kilk wrote: post #37
PKop wrote: post #26

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He probably knew people wouldn't engage with him in good faith. If you look up crime statistics, there is merit to the argument of homogenous culture = less violent crime. Do you disagree? Take US as an example. We're always described as having a high gun crime and murder rate relative to some other developed nation. But if you control for race, those numbers drop previously when looking at whites only. Is this not a…

I'm constantly amazed at the amount of phrenology-level discourse we have on this site.

https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/982072291902345216

Edit: Make sure you catch Gregory Cochran's reply.

Re: The murder that shook Iceland

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Post by chrischen »

pitiburi wrote: post #38
chrischen wrote: post #35

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Because there are clear counterpoints to that. Take the Phillipines, or Mexico. Those countries have high gun ownership, violence, and are pretty homogenous too. If you want a country with white people, take Russia (though I’m not sure how homogenous it is, it’s definitely not US levels of integration). Simply because some homogenous societies have low murder rates doesn’t mean all do, and does not mean the reason is…

You really, really have your data wrong. Obviously you have a cliché-type idea of what Mexico it's. http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2014/06/people-mexico-show-st...

The diversity depends on people’s own attitudes towards it, and their sense of national identity.

For example there are some ethnic minorities in Japan but the government has long been against that in order to preserve a unified national identity.

Is there a strong national identity or fragmented identities and loyalties?

Re: The murder that shook Iceland

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Post by rhcom2 »

oxymoron wrote: post #30
rhcom2 wrote: post #24

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That seems controversial considering all the people who found the opposite. https://www.mitpressjournals.org/doi/abs/10.1162/00346530055...

Quoting from _Better angels of our nature_ p119: ”Among economic measures, inequality is generally a better predictor of violence than unemployment. But The Gini coefficient, the standard index of inequality, actually rose in the United States from 1990 to 2000, while crime was fallinh, and it had hit its low point in 1968, when crime was soaring. The problem with invoking inequality to explain changes in violence is…

Thanks, very interesting.

Re: The murder that shook Iceland

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Post by ghaff »

surfmike wrote: post #16
narrator wrote: post #8

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How do you measure social cohesion? Crime rate might be one way, but then you've got yourself a tautology.

Willingness to trust strangers. https://ourworldindata.org/trust

Yes. Social trust was probably actually the term I should have used, e.g. https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-02-23/you-can-t...

It seems to be somewhat inversely related to diversity but not entirely. As Megan has also written, Greece and Italy are also fairly homogeneous but don't have most of the social characteristics of the Nordics.

Re: The murder that shook Iceland

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Post by libria »

cornholio wrote: post #21
kkkaizer wrote: post #17

TL:DR on how was she killed?

Two danish sailors picked her up while drunk in a rental car, one of them got off to the ship and the other drove away with her and was not seen until the next morning when he returned the car with a large odometer reading. Her body was eventually found naked and battered in a distant location, and the rental had forensic sings of having been cleaned of her blood. The sailor was recorded buying cleaning products at t…

Also, actual cause of death was drowning which removes some suspicion of involvement from the other sailor since the drowning likely took place much later and further away from his departure.

Kudos to the captain for being very responsible and secretly turning the ship around on suspicion his men were involved.

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Post by milankovic »

chrischen wrote: post #40
PKop wrote: post #28

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Because we are told and must believe despite contradictory evidence that diversity is always and in every way "our strength". Even though when discussing company hiring practices people switch their rhetoric to proclaim "our culture" is very important and we must keep our company's culture the same, bring on new people slowly as to preserve the culture etc, etc. Interesting cognitive dissonance.

If you love using evidence then you should probably take a look at it once in a while. It’s no coincidence the economic powerhouses in the US are also the most diverse and progressive places in the US, and that the US is the economic center of the world. Diversity has nothing to do with losing culture. It’s about sharing cultures and understanding other cultures and points of view. Diversity is a fundamental requirem…

> It’s no coincidence the economic powerhouses in the US are also the most diverse and progressive places in the US [..]

Yeah, right. This has absolutely nothing to do with being 'diverse' and progressive. I don't know what you had in mind (SV?), but this all is caused by stuff that already happened decades ago. This is pretty well documented history.

> [..] and that the US is the economic center of the world.

Pride goeth before a fall..

And even now, this is only true if you assume certain constraints. For example, manufacturing? Not true anymore, ridiculous to even think that. The same with other domains of the economy, I'm not saying this to attack the US, because I actually love you guys, but you have to deal with some serious issues, because before you realize it you're not the center of the world of anything any longer. It can be awfully quick sometimes.

Re: The murder that shook Iceland

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Post by milankovic »

cornholio wrote: post #21
kkkaizer wrote: post #17

TL:DR on how was she killed?

Two danish sailors picked her up while drunk in a rental car, one of them got off to the ship and the other drove away with her and was not seen until the next morning when he returned the car with a large odometer reading. Her body was eventually found naked and battered in a distant location, and the rental had forensic sings of having been cleaned of her blood. The sailor was recorded buying cleaning products at t…

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Re: The murder that shook Iceland

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Post by starshadowx2 »

milankovic wrote: post #49
cornholio wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Two danish sailors picked her up while drunk in a rental car, one of them got off to the ship and the other drove away with her and was not seen until the next morning when he returned the car with a large odometer reading. Her body was eventually found naked and battered in a distant location, and the rental had forensic sings of having been cleaned of her blood. The sailor was recorded buying cleaning products at t…

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