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Mark Zuckerberg testifies before Congress

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg testifies before Congress

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> Are there are job offers on Facebook? (That's a genuine question; I don't have an account.) IIRC, they're trying to become the blue collar linkedin. https://techcrunch.com/2018/02/28/facebook-job-posts/

Hahaha, I can't even begin to wonder how bad that experience will be considering how awful marketplace is.

“Please only show my job posting to people affiliated with white culture”

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Wow. I didn't expect that he'd speak in favor of 'special features like facial recognition' by arguing that it's how we can be competitive with 'other regimes like China'. That seems like a comparison I'd avoid if I was facebook.

I mean if you’re pitching TO the regime....

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His notes are quite fascinating: https://mobile.twitter.com/becket/status/983846618263891968?...

I wouldn't read too much on the comment that they don't already comply with GDPR. It's likely it only means they would not comply with an Access Request before the effective date (5/25).

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Did he just say that when an account is deleted, all the data are hard deleted (not just a boolean in a column)? It's really hard to believe.

The reason that this is hard to believe is that most people only end up deactivating their accounts, not deleting them. This results in a surprise when they return and all their info is still there.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg testifies before Congress

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Define deleted. Do you mean the data itself is purged, or simply marked as deleted and rendered inaccessible? If you mean purged, then do you also mean that it is zeroed off of the disk by a multiple low-level pass? This would be hard to prosecute for perjury as the definition of "deleted" can be construed in many ways.

This is the sort of word game that surely wouldn't last ten seconds in any courtroom. "Did you delete the data or not?" "Yes, we deleted the data." "Then how is it that we're all sitting here looking at it?" This modern fiction of pretending something is deleted just because someone set a flag called "deleted" has about as much relevance to actual deletion as the evil bit in an IPv4 header has to actual Internet secu…

Well, you could also encrypt the data with a per-user key and throw that away when you delete the user. No the data was not deleted, but access to it is.

There are ways to design data retention around deletable constraints like this. The bigger question is more like “do we trust facebook to agree with us on what deleting an account acually means?”

For isntance, i’m curious if you delete your account whether they still do the shadow account tracking. I’m betting they do.

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I think you're misunderstanding the intent: obviously they are aware of that. Hearings commonly involve asking basic questions

I know that was probably the intent, but the senator sounded genuinely confused. It didn't sound like a deposition-style question.

If the guy is smart I'm pretty sure it's an act. Most legal professionals seem to have their emotions on lock

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How is the ethnicity of Zuck's wife relevant?

The scenario is this: say my wife is a first generation Italian and I am the CEO of a really great new car company. If someone says, "This is a great car, I could never say, seeing an ITALIAN making such a car!" I would be embarrassed for the person saying this, as they don't know my family history (maybe I don't look Italian, I look like a viking, if one was to guess - which you shouldn't), and to be perfectly hones…

Wait, isn't Zuck the one who brought up China?

You might wanna take a look at your shoulder as there may be a chip there.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg testifies before Congress

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Some more important questions to ask : Facebooks customers are the ad buyers. I and my data is the product. Mark says I should have control over which of my personal data is shared to whom. 1) But can I control which of my behavioral data (ad clicks, etc) can be collected and used by facebook and provided to the ad buyers? Can I say nothing be collected , even in anonymized manner? 2) Primary selling point to ad buye…

1) The only thing they really provide(non-aggregated) to advertisers is query params that say you arrived at the advertisers website through a click on a fb ad. They also claim to recognize adchoices optouts

2) Yes. https://www.facebook.com/ads/preferences/?entry_product=ad_s...

Re: Mark Zuckerberg testifies before Congress

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Some poor Senator just went on a rabbit hunt to discuss FB's bug bounty program. Who are these Congressional staffers? Tech illiteracy is on full-display; we're not even talking 'power-users' (who were on UseNet, btw), these people are lost. Zuckerberg had to be gracious and say his team would follow-up on many things that it was clear the Senator didn't even understand. This is supposed to be our smart chamber.

Disagree. Several controversial questions were dodged by saying his team would follow up. While it's attractive to paint politicians as incompetent buffoons, let's not forget each of them has their own staff and understands what it means to delegate to your staff and not have answers immediately on hand that only a staff expert would understand.

Yep. The amount of "my staff will follow up" was on par with Sessions' "do not recall" statements.

The fact that they called Zuck out on "what hotel did you stay at last night" and "if you messaged any friends in the last week, can you please share the first names of the people you messaged in the last week?"

and Zuck: "no I will not share that publicly"

Senator: "Well, thats the reason why we are here, isn't it?"

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