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Mark Zuckerberg testifies before Congress

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg testifies before Congress

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Post by forgot-my-pw »

0x00000000 wrote: post #186
misiti3780 wrote: post #41

"Is it true facebook can track user browsers even after they are logged out of facebook?" Zuck: "I need to get back to you on that"

I do not have the facebook app on my phone. I downloaded Instagram and it magically knew one of my email addresses (not the one used with my facebook account). I deleted it, mashed the keyboard for the new email address, declined syncing contacts, blocked the permission as well as every other permission, and lo and behold it still shows all of my facebook friends on instagram as suggestions. Fucking creepy.

Even if Facebook doesn't get the data through you, it still gets your data from people you know.

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Post by Slansitartop »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #81
misiti3780 wrote: post #41

"Is it true facebook can track user browsers even after they are logged out of facebook?" Zuck: "I need to get back to you on that"

Honestly is there anyway that he could explain the Facebook Pixel/ad network that wouldn't just be describing any ad network? By definition, ad tracking (cookies etc...) is opaque to most people and explaining it publicly would make it seem like FB is doing something more nefarious than others. It's an important discussion but his response would just make FB seem way worse on that specific issue than highlighting how…

> It's an important discussion but his response would just make FB seem way worse on that specific issue than highlighting how the entire ad network ecosystem works.

Any legislation that comes out of this hearing wouldn't apply only to Facebook. Facebook admitting the extent of its tracking could help clean up the "entire ad network ecosystem."

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Post by paulie_a »

dqpb wrote: post #180
baalimago wrote: post #54

Mark Zuckerberg does not believe he has a monopoly. He believes there is an alternative to Facebook in the way that different car manufacturers have different competitors. Surely he can't mean this, right?

There's Google+

I actually liked Google+ but let's be honest, dozens of users is not a social network

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Post by EdSharkey »

mrlala wrote: post #122
Zimahl wrote: post #111

Ted Cruz clearly showing that he's a partisan hack. Didn't give a crap about users' privacy or the issues at hand, he had to make it about 'liberal Silicon Valley' and 'conservative persecution'. What a joke.

It's almost a completely biased question. Objectively: who engages in hate speech? The far right. The far left may be overly accepting of everything, let's say.. they are not the ones engaging in hate speech. So it's no surprise that far right pages would be banned way more often than far left pages.

I'll take free speech. Who do you think you are? Who gets to draw the line between what is hate and what is not? You?

Certainly not YOU! The opinions and the cultural fads you chase do not lend you any moral superiority. YOU have no right to judge.

I piss all over your self-seeking ideology. Would you send me to the gulag if you could?

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Post by justinator »

kzrdude wrote: post #182

"What a story, only in America right?" [About facebook's origin] Zuck: "Well, senator there are big Chinese internet compani.." "The answer is yes, you're supposed to say yes". So much about China. Only in America. The answer is mandatory, it's "Yes".

IMHO that was a completely inappropriate comment, as Mr. Zuckerberg's wife is of Chinese descent.

I cringed.

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Post by Slansitartop »

gregknicholson wrote: post #156
mmsimanga wrote: post #74

Am I missing something? Take the Senator who spoke about monopolies. An oil monopoly is bad because we all need to get to work and trains need to run. Microsoft monopoly, arguable but I can see how it can be bad. All companies end up using Microsoft and this affects everyone, hospitals, schools ... Facebook is optional, we won't starve, hospitals won't close, aeroplanes will continue if we delete Facebook. Is this an…

Are there are job offers on Facebook? (That's a genuine question; I don't have an account.) Perhaps some service providers are only (or primarily) contactable for complaints via Facebook (and maybe Twitter and a couple of others), and therefore to contact them you need an account with one of those companies. So perhaps to participate in society without a disadvantage, you need an account with Facebook Inc, or at leas…

> Are there are job offers on Facebook? (That's a genuine question; I don't have an account.)

IIRC, they're trying to become the blue collar linkedin.

https://techcrunch.com/2018/02/28/facebook-job-posts/

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Post by taysic »

grecy wrote: post #112
baalimago wrote: post #54

Mark Zuckerberg does not believe he has a monopoly. He believes there is an alternative to Facebook in the way that different car manufacturers have different competitors. Surely he can't mean this, right?

> Mark Zuckerberg does not believe he has a monopoly. I tend to agree with him. Facebook just happens to be the most popular Internet social network, right now , but there is nothing that makes it a monopoly. Anyone could replace it, there is nothing actively stopping them from doing so. I'm sure for decades the Ford Motor Company was thought of as a Monopoly... and then they went bankrupt, and that's just one compan…

If they were viable competitors like Instagram, Whatsapp or even Snapchat, FB would try to buy them out and become monopoly-like again. But there is no perception that the gov should question these mergers for this industry.

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Post by dljsjr »

ibejoeb wrote: post #108
dfxm12 wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

nothing was exploited Assuming you're only considering the computer security definition of "exploit", I'm not totally sure why this matters. User data was obtained via means not allowed by Facebook. Facebook realized this & didn't disclose it to the US government or its users, as required (or, at the very least questionably required) by its consent decree with the FTC . Based on this, it's not out of line for the gov…

>User data was obtained via means not allowed by Facebook That's what I'm asking. 1) Is it alleged that CA found a flaw in FB's design and 2) did something illegal with it? I've seen accounts alluding to that, but that makes me think that it is entirely by design and it's just be framed negatively for the greatest political impact.

It's illegal for foreign nationals to make direct or indirect contributions to US politics. So the line that has to be drawn is one connecting that law to the CA scandal and its alleged use to drive the strategies of the Trump campaign during the 2016 election.

I don't know for sure if Facebook can be seen as being complicit in breaking US election law. I think their issues are completely domestic as it stands right now. But I'm not a lawyer.

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Post by lvoudour »

kzrdude wrote: post #182

"What a story, only in America right?" [About facebook's origin] Zuck: "Well, senator there are big Chinese internet compani.." "The answer is yes, you're supposed to say yes". So much about China. Only in America. The answer is mandatory, it's "Yes".

Didn't see the video, was the senator jesting or was he actually offended? (I suppose it's the former but you never know)

Re: Mark Zuckerberg testifies before Congress

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Post by fastball »

justinator wrote: post #195
kzrdude wrote: post #182

"What a story, only in America right?" [About facebook's origin] Zuck: "Well, senator there are big Chinese internet compani.." "The answer is yes, you're supposed to say yes". So much about China. Only in America. The answer is mandatory, it's "Yes".

IMHO that was a completely inappropriate comment, as Mr. Zuckerberg's wife is of Chinese descent. I cringed.

How is the ethnicity of Zuck's wife relevant?
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