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Re: ISPs Aim to Use Facebook Fracas to Saddle Silicon Valley with Crappy New Laws

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Post by LeifCarrotson »

drawkbox wrote: post #20

The ISPs are in an all out attack on competitors like Facebook/Google/Netflix/others. ISPs bought their way into the market with the ISP privacy protections being removed [1][2] and net neutrality being killed rather than innovating. The privacy protections being removed helped lessen the FCC grip on privacy and helped their case, with legislators not the people, to remove FCC net neutrality protections. It is obviou…

> ISPs were once a beacon of innovation bringing in broadband

I don't remember this time period. Any examples?

Re: ISPs Aim to Use Facebook Fracas to Saddle Silicon Valley with Crappy New Laws

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Post by AmIFirstToThink »

drawkbox wrote: post #20

The ISPs are in an all out attack on competitors like Facebook/Google/Netflix/others. ISPs bought their way into the market with the ISP privacy protections being removed [1][2] and net neutrality being killed rather than innovating. The privacy protections being removed helped lessen the FCC grip on privacy and helped their case, with legislators not the people, to remove FCC net neutrality protections. It is obviou…

>The ISPs are in an all out attack on competitors like Facebook/Google.

And TV, and Print.

Facebook/Google could have had their cake and eat it too.

It all can be tied back to when they decided to go all-in with Hillary and got the lefty content auditors.

Re: ISPs Aim to Use Facebook Fracas to Saddle Silicon Valley with Crappy New Laws

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Post by deelowe »

LeifCarrotson wrote: post #21
drawkbox wrote: post #20

The ISPs are in an all out attack on competitors like Facebook/Google/Netflix/others. ISPs bought their way into the market with the ISP privacy protections being removed [1][2] and net neutrality being killed rather than innovating. The privacy protections being removed helped lessen the FCC grip on privacy and helped their case, with legislators not the people, to remove FCC net neutrality protections. It is obviou…

> ISPs were once a beacon of innovation bringing in broadband I don't remember this time period. Any examples?

Late 90s/early 2000s when there were tons of smaller isps offering a variety of solutions. This was back when operating a CLEC was a viable option before the incumbents found a way to fix that issue.

Re: ISPs Aim to Use Facebook Fracas to Saddle Silicon Valley with Crappy New Laws

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Post by drawkbox »

LeifCarrotson wrote: post #21
drawkbox wrote: post #20

The ISPs are in an all out attack on competitors like Facebook/Google/Netflix/others. ISPs bought their way into the market with the ISP privacy protections being removed [1][2] and net neutrality being killed rather than innovating. The privacy protections being removed helped lessen the FCC grip on privacy and helped their case, with legislators not the people, to remove FCC net neutrality protections. It is obviou…

> ISPs were once a beacon of innovation bringing in broadband I don't remember this time period. Any examples?

In the mid to late 90s going from 56k to 6Mbps was amazing. Now they are just local monopolies with fake competition abusing their position and trust.

ISPs are actively holding back on innovation / expansion and that causes less innovation in the US competitively.

> FCC report finds almost no broadband competition at 100Mbps speeds [1][2].

> Even at 25Mbps, 43 percent of the US had zero ISPs or just one [1][2].

[1] https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/02/fcc-r...

[2] https://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/201...

Re: ISPs Aim to Use Facebook Fracas to Saddle Silicon Valley with Crappy New Laws

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Post by Reedx »

mtgx wrote: post #16

Silicon Valley brought this to itself. I used to warn of this before, too, that they can't continue to do "evil stuff" and expect to have people's backing when the governments will come after them to regulate them for whatever reason. But they continued because they saw that nobody leaves them over the crap they pull so they thought there must be no consequences to their anti-consumer moves. The only downside I see i…

That's like what the game industry went through in the early 90s. When Mortal Kombat and the like were generating controversy and getting the attention of regulators, the industry proactively created the ESRB.

Re: ISPs Aim to Use Facebook Fracas to Saddle Silicon Valley with Crappy New Laws

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Post by kenning »

rbranson wrote: post #8
jtmcmc wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

right but things like privacy and security are aimed at the entirety of companies that have an online presence. For instance like laws around privacy requirements affect all major companies not just tech companies.

How do you legally define a tech company?

that's the point

Re: ISPs Aim to Use Facebook Fracas to Saddle Silicon Valley with Crappy New Laws

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Post by JustSomeNobody »

deelowe wrote: post #24
LeifCarrotson wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ISPs were once a beacon of innovation bringing in broadband I don't remember this time period. Any examples?

Late 90s/early 2000s when there were tons of smaller isps offering a variety of solutions. This was back when operating a CLEC was a viable option before the incumbents found a way to fix that issue.

I really miss these days. Sure the internet speeds were painfully slow, but I knew my ISP. I could go have lunch with them. I could borrow compute resources during slow times.

I think when the cable companies started monopolizing the internet and the web because commercialized, that's when we lost a lot of computing's early "innocence".

I'm sure someone will say I'm romanticizing that period, but darnit, just let me.

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