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Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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GDPR articles seem to be getting some traction on HN as everyone is trying to figure out: "Do I need to do something for this? Is so, what?" For a recent project I read (and translated to plain english) [1] every single article in the GDPR legislation and for our purposes it can be summed up as: "Treat user data like names and emails as if they were credit card numbers" AKA: be paranoid about keeping them, encrypt th…

Honestly, the best thing to do if you don’t have a high percentage of EU users/customers is to simply block EU IPs. First it was the completely useless cookie notifications, now it’s GDPR, and nobody knows what the next thing will be - we only know that there will be a next thing (there always is), and that it too will be costly and burdensome to comply with. Unless you derive a significant percentage of your revenue…

simply block EU IPs

A lot of us who admire what the EU has the courage to do - and wish that the US had half that courage - would rather disappear from everything but European websites. What many US corporates have done, and are doing, is rotten to the core. It is demonstrably destroying the internet that so many of us spent time bringing to life, and had so much hope for.

I suspect that if someone with some balls and power suggested corraling all US trackers and data brokers - along with companies trying to turn the net into a shopping mall - into a single domain outside of which they could not operate - most Americans would applaud. The EU has done some of what it could, and cheers to them for having the courage to serve their citizens. Wish I was among them.

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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I completely disagree with this. Firstly, the media currently are too lucrative for my taste and thats why we have everyone being a journalist and publisher. By cutting down on the easy money, only those worth surviving will probably stand. This will seriously cut down on more than just ads, ie fake news and unverified sources. An alternative I'd love to see is sponsored articles as the main source of income for thes…

> Firstly, the media currently are too lucrative for my taste and thats why we have everyone being a journalist and publisher. As someone who works in media: I'm sorry, what? Publishing is certainly not more lucrative than ever, and publishing online now is a far worse business than publishing a physical newspaper pre-cable TV. The proliferation of outlets is due to lower barriers to entry and less need for capex. Pl…

Depends how you look at it. You are an employee in the media space, I guess you're in an ok situation but also not swimming in cash. However I thought more in the line of media companies and solopreneurs.

Everybody seems to be joining the race to the bottom by delivering more questionable content for 2 more clicks per day instead of relevant articles and real journalism. Also not to step on anyones toes, this obviously doesn't apply to every individual, however a large majority seems to be doing it. This also makes it hard for the good guys to prevail I guess.

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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post #164

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I completely disagree with this. Firstly, the media currently are too lucrative for my taste and thats why we have everyone being a journalist and publisher. By cutting down on the easy money, only those worth surviving will probably stand. This will seriously cut down on more than just ads, ie fake news and unverified sources. An alternative I'd love to see is sponsored articles as the main source of income for thes…

>This will seriously cut down on more than just ads, ie fake news and unverified sources. Why do you think so? I don't see clickbait industry seriously affected. They churn out a ton of crappy content which costs almost nothing to produce (at least if compared with reputable journalistic work), monetize it with low quality ads for shitty CPM rates, but as long as part of their content goes viral, tons and tons of pag…

There has to be some limit to how low they can go cost wise in delivering crap. Also as it becomes harder to get big bucks, people will shift to other lines of crap work.

GDPR in my mind influences this indirectly in the long run. It's not like it will kill fake news the week after.

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I was going to say driver's license. But I guess that's optional too. There are garbage fees or charges. Sometimes you must pay them, even if you contract with a private hauler. But you need that to get an occupancy permit. Also water/sewer fees. Unless you have a well and septic system.

Right, the line does get rather blurry when a service provider has the power to compel people to purchase their "service" whether they want to or not. Local governments like to position such payments as "fees"—it makes for better PR—but if there are penalties for opting out (such as not being permitted to occupy your own property) then I would consider it a tax. In the cases you mentioned, for example, there really i…

There is a substantial difference between fees and taxes. Fees are tied to something specific. This has two implications: First, they cannot be used for something else. Second: The height of the fee must not exceed the cost of the service and thus is at least in principle something that can be checked. For example, some public health insurance providers in germany had excess money and they had to refund that to their customers. Taxes are under no such regime. It may seem like one is like the other, but it’s really an important distinction.

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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That's not true.

How informative.

Please read the grand parent comment. If you collect data that can be tied to the user using your app/site (e.g. create a session and store the id as a cookie), you need to get consent for that. On top of that, the user should be able to view and remove the data you have collected for them.

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It doesn’t have to be personally identifying info to qualify. If you are storing data on behalf of the user, you have to get consent from the user.

Which pages were visited is not information stored on behalf of the user though. It is information stored for business analysis.

Which is used to enhance the product, so it's okay to collect and require for consent.

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Why is democracy not the most free of all? Let one person have one vote - not one dollar have one vote.

To expand on what merinowool said: Under capitalism you are free to do whatever you want with your own property provided you extend the same courtesy to others, and don't interfere either their use of their property. It is easy to see that this is an optimum balance: any more freedom than that would necessarily come at someone else's expense. This is sufficient on its own to say that any other system must be less fre…

I couldn't put it any better. Thanks!

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Absolutely, and they would benefit from the end of ad supported, low quality but free online news. All three are subscription funded.

40% of NYT's revenue comes from ads. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/08/business/new-york-times-c...

That article is literally about 60% of their revenue being from subscriptions.

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The EU has a population of over half a billion people and a GDP per capita of $41k PPP (although those numbers will shrink a little bit post-Brexit). Ignoring Europe as a potential market ignores half the western world - and it is westerners, for the most part, who have disposable income to spend money on goods and services. Ignore Europe if you like. Just be aware that you are allowing your competitors to gain an un…

There are thousands of types of sites, such as geographically focused message boards, local professionals, smaller ecommerce sites, etc. who are exposed under the GDPR but for whom EU traffic is incidental and worth nothing. A US plumber doesn’t need or want appointments in London, but is technically exposed under the GDPR. So for businesses like this, blocking EU traffic should be an easy decision - there is no down…

That shouldn't be an issue. If you offer your services only within the US then you're out of scope. It doesn't matter if EU citizens visit your site, as long as you don't try to get any customers from the EU or target your content towards visitors from the EU you don't have to comply with GDPR.

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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GDPR articles seem to be getting some traction on HN as everyone is trying to figure out: "Do I need to do something for this? Is so, what?" For a recent project I read (and translated to plain english) [1] every single article in the GDPR legislation and for our purposes it can be summed up as: "Treat user data like names and emails as if they were credit card numbers" AKA: be paranoid about keeping them, encrypt th…

What constitutes user data?
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