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Project from Hell (2008)

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Re: Project from Hell (2008)

#111

> “C++ for dummies” on many people’s desks. Surprised they didn't get fired for reading/learning at work when you're paid to be programming all the time. Although I've never been fired for reading at work, I've had it made clear on multiple occasions at different jobs that reading wouldn't be tolerated, and I was already down a couple of strikes.

What in the actual fuck? I can't fathom how this would even theoretically work. Like people ostensibly would just memorize every api and library they might ever have to use in advance?

Know a guy who was "fired" (de-contracted) first day of a new gig in London for having the K&R C book on his desk.

Re: Project from Hell (2008)

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post #23

Regarding this part: "they had to pay soon for Free Software. None of them ever mentions ‘Software Libre’, but they all know about ‘Software Gratuit’. " In French, we have two word for Free: Libre is for free as in free speech and gratuit is for free as in free beer.

Same in German. It's a quirk of English that free as in freedom and free as in no cost are the same word.

In English we do have the word "liberty" for freedom.

Re: Project from Hell (2008)

#113
post #23

Regarding this part: "they had to pay soon for Free Software. None of them ever mentions ‘Software Libre’, but they all know about ‘Software Gratuit’. " In French, we have two word for Free: Libre is for free as in free speech and gratuit is for free as in free beer.

Same in German. It's a quirk of English that free as in freedom and free as in no cost are the same word.

Well, we do have the word "liberty" in English, too. Maybe it's more that one meaning for a word and one word for a meaning just aren't enough for us.

Re: Project from Hell (2008)

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same in German. It's a quirk of English that free as in freedom and free as in no cost are the same word.

Well, we do have the word "liberty" in English, too. Maybe it's more that one meaning for a word and one word for a meaning just aren't enough for us.

> Well, we do have the word "liberty" in English, too

But no commonly-used adjective form of that noun.

Re: Project from Hell (2008)

#115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, we do have the word "liberty" in English, too. Maybe it's more that one meaning for a word and one word for a meaning just aren't enough for us.

> Well, we do have the word "liberty" in English, too But no commonly-used adjective form of that noun.

True, "liberated software" doesn't have quite the right tone these days.

Re: Project from Hell (2008)

#116
> The tool that was finally chosen is a disaster with a graphical user interface, an abomination coming directly from Sweden.

Ohh, which versioning software comes from Sweden and is so bad? Got curious about this one.

Re: Project from Hell (2008)

#117

So what was the ultimate fate of the project? The 2018 follow-up post [1] says the boss was jailed for fraud, but doesn't say whether the project eventually shipped or was killed (or, even worse, is still in development). [1] https://projectfailures.wordpress.com/2018/03/24/follow-up-o...

My best guess is the article referred to Louvois, France's attempt to build a military payment system. An article in French about it: https://www.franceinter.fr/emissions/secrets-d-info/secrets-... In 2018 it still does not exist. The French government has decided to try again, awarding the contract to the same company.

It seems the project company had a functioning sales and lobbying department...

Re: Project from Hell (2008)

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post #35

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In Germany it is hard to fire somebody. Almost nobody works as consultant, and consultants are not normal job positions.

Bullshit. I've worked as a consultant in Germany for 13 years, and pretty much every large project has consultants in it, often half the developers are consultants. IBM, T-Systems, Capgemini and accenture each have around 5000 people doing software consulting, and there'S hundreds if not thousands of smaller consultancies.

But those consultants are still regular employees of the consulting company, right They’re not independent contractors. I guess a client company can say that they don’t want person X in their project anymore but that doesn’t mean X is going to lose their job.

Re: Project from Hell (2008)

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post #59

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But they are being fined at E1000's a day. In the UK we now have projects forced to go through regular if not frequent traffic light reviews - a panel of actual experts reviews the project - i think it was one such thing that killed the NHS network project (12 billion over spend). one panel, one review. saved money. i suspect the french gov will have put something similar in place, but i do agree with the final parag…

killed AFTER 12 billion over spend, not very effective

Better than having it blunder on for another 5 years and 10 billion without achiving anything.
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