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In fighting homeless camp, Irvine's Asians win, but at a cost
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Re: In fighting homeless camp, Irvine's Asians win, but at a cost
#82This really is a regional problem. I live around the area, near the beautiful Santa Ana trail which connects two counties to the ocean. A few months ago, I rode down the 40-mile stretch for the first time in a long time, and I was absolutely shocked to see the extent of the tent city near the Anaheim Angels stadium. The people living there were living on hard times, it felt post-apocalyptic in some sense. The tent ar…
As a local, would you accept a regional sales tax increase of 1% if it paid for real housing and counseling services for the residents of the camp?
How about if you look at it the same way we look at say.. insurance? Would you pay the same amount to remove the perceived risk such a tent city poses you and your family?. I guess that's why people don't want these tent cities around?. My point beeing. Cause if the problem isn't taken care of your going to pay at least that in lesser house valuation and insurance costs...
Re: In fighting homeless camp, Irvine's Asians win, but at a cost
#83excuse me dang, i have tried repeatedly to contact the admins through email without any response. i believe that my account tempagain567i and its associated ip has been incorrectly rate limited. i havent posted or commented in more than a day and it still wont let me post anything. i would be more than happy to correct my behaviour if you would be so kind as to point out my violation of site guidelines. Thanks.
It just takes time to write replies, especially on weekends.
We detached this comment from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16787870 and marked it off-topic.
Re: In fighting homeless camp, Irvine's Asians win, but at a cost
#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
> That would assume that the homeless were caused by / came from Irving. Something can be your responsibility even if it's not your fault. Particular people with particular problems is a local issue. Particular tent cities hurting particular parks or businesses is also a local issue. Go ask a local social worker or police officer. They know everyone on a first name basis. They just don't have anywhere to go with thei…
If Irving absorbs the cost of it, then other communities will simply keep sending their homeless. The problem will never be solved this way unless it's pushed back to its source. > So instead of shifting responsibility in one way or another, local governments and communities need to organize more around these issues. That's exactly what happened. Other communities shifted responsibility to Irving. By doing nothing, t…
I'm saying local governments are the best equipped to solve the problem and drive reform.
> The problem will never be solved this way unless it's pushed back to its source.
Well, the problem is that people have mental illness. That shouldn't be a federal issue, and tackling the problem state by state has the same "source of the problem" issue you're concerned about.
The sanest solution and the sanest reform starts local. The legal changes and funding models should probably be state or national. But we don't get there until we expect our local government to be responsible instead of plaintive.
Re: In fighting homeless camp, Irvine's Asians win, but at a cost
#85What cost. Sounds like they just plain won.
FWIW I think the implication is a moral cost.
Re: In fighting homeless camp, Irvine's Asians win, but at a cost
#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Each region/city should host an proportional number of homeless. And what if they don’t and simply bus their homeless out of town to yours[1]? Implementing something like that intra-State would be hard enough. Doing it across States is impossible without the Federal government running it and I doubt that’d ever happen. https://www.thestranger.com/slog/2017/12/22/25650858/how-wea...
Then our town will spend our 1% busing them back to where they came from. The issue is that why should my town or city take them in when town or city X isn't.
Because it's the right thing to do? I don't understand why this needs to devolve into an "us vs them" scenario that ends up with the US growing their literal tent slums.
Re: In fighting homeless camp, Irvine's Asians win, but at a cost
#87Homelessness isn't a regional problem. It's a national problem. There needs to be an area designated for them at a a national level. Pushing people from place to place regionally is a terrible solution. An area needs to be designated for them nationally like Native American reservations when they were first created. The national solution needs to have programs to assist with addiction, mental health, and job training…
In response to other children of this post: perhaps you can give more evidence as to how this solution would end up like the harsh imprisonment by oppressive regimes? Why do you instantly shoot down one of the only creative solutions in this entire discussion, other than trying to raise more money to throw at it (which clearly has not even begun to solve these problems).
This solution is basically just advocating putting all the homeless in one place without discussing how to actually fix anything once they are there (will there be houses and jobs for them?), which makes it sound like it will just be one big government mandated slum
Re: In fighting homeless camp, Irvine's Asians win, but at a cost
#88Heh, this reminds of a similar incident in New York a few years ago: https://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/26/nyregion/homeless-shelter...
tl;dr: they opened a homeless shelter in a heavily (Asian) immigrant community and were met with protests. The result was a sadly hilarious exchange between the two groups with one side yelling "get a job" and the other side yelling "go back to [some Asian country]".
A more paranoid person would see these moves as politically intentional. As the stereotype goes, they're expected to take it quietly, they're not as politically involved, and when they do, they're less likely to invoke sympathy (xenophobia in America seems to be more acceptable, at least vs. racism, and there appears to be a lot of resentment towards Asians.) The problem then becomes minority-vs-minority, so racism accusations are not directed at whites.
Re: In fighting homeless camp, Irvine's Asians win, but at a cost
#89Is there any data on what is driving this? How much of this is due to the cost to rent? Is California a homeless destination due to climate and general tolerance to homeless camps...etc?
I read a theory that it is due to CA offering drug programs designed to get addicts off drugs. Addicts move there, and when the program fails, they stick around. I've no idea whether it is a valid theory.
Re: In fighting homeless camp, Irvine's Asians win, but at a cost
#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
In response to other children of this post: perhaps you can give more evidence as to how this solution would end up like the harsh imprisonment by oppressive regimes? Why do you instantly shoot down one of the only creative solutions in this entire discussion, other than trying to raise more money to throw at it (which clearly has not even begun to solve these problems).
This solution is basically just advocating putting all the homeless in one place without discussing how to actually fix anything once they are there (will there be houses and jobs for them?), which makes it sound like it will just be one big government mandated slum
Once they are there, the problem goes away.
Like, the issue of homelessness is really about how their presence impacts the rest of us.