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In fighting homeless camp, Irvine's Asians win, but at a cost

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Re: In fighting homeless camp, Irvine's Asians win, but at a cost

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Post by bmarquez »

> Asians are usually quiet, you know. Not this time.

I'm just pleased to see more Asian-Americans getting involved in politics. I lived in Irvine for a few months a while back, and it was a very clean city. I didn't see any leaves on the street, or homeless people for that matter (which I thought was strange, but I also felt safe not being accosted like in other areas of LA.) People can throw the NIMBY card around but if this is the issue it takes to see my former neighbors get involved in politics, so be it.

Re: In fighting homeless camp, Irvine's Asians win, but at a cost

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Post by NedIsakoff »

bmarquez wrote: post #41

> Asians are usually quiet, you know. Not this time. I'm just pleased to see more Asian-Americans getting involved in politics. I lived in Irvine for a few months a while back, and it was a very clean city. I didn't see any leaves on the street, or homeless people for that matter (which I thought was strange, but I also felt safe not being accosted like in other areas of LA.) People can throw the NIMBY card around bu…

Agree!

Re: In fighting homeless camp, Irvine's Asians win, but at a cost

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Post by TomK32 »

mirkules wrote: post #24

This really is a regional problem. I live around the area, near the beautiful Santa Ana trail which connects two counties to the ocean. A few months ago, I rode down the 40-mile stretch for the first time in a long time, and I was absolutely shocked to see the extent of the tent city near the Anaheim Angels stadium. The people living there were living on hard times, it felt post-apocalyptic in some sense. The tent ar…

> I don't know what the answer is, or how to deal with it.

The answer is to give them a home, help to get back into a regular life and make sure they don't run into the same issues again that led to their homelessness.

Finland has managed to achieve this, why can't the rest of the western world follow?

Re: In fighting homeless camp, Irvine's Asians win, but at a cost

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Post by prostoalex »

electriclove wrote: post #28

The problem I see is that the county (Orange) is unilaterally deciding which cities (Irvine, Huntington Beach, Laguna Niguel) the homeless should be moved to.

It comes down to land ownership - county owns more land in some cities than others. They cannot propose homeless housing in Rancho Santa Margarita or Coto de Caza since most of that land is owned by someone other than the county.

Re: In fighting homeless camp, Irvine's Asians win, but at a cost

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Post by azinman2 »

NedIsakoff wrote: post #27

I'm Asian/Canadian (arrived in Canada in 1988 at 8) and have worked in the US since 2009. I consider myself a 0.5 generation immigrant. Talking my parents, other first generation immigrants, and even some second generation etc. They do have a common view. If we came here with very little (my parents arrived with $200 in their pockets), worked hard, and eventually became successful then why can't other people do the s…

Drug addiction, mental illness, little education / scaffolding, no family support, etc.

Their view that if they did it why can’t others is the same as the libertarian / rich people perspective of “I got mine, you should be able to get yours.” Except not all people are the same, not all people have the same abilities, support, drive, etc. One should have compassion for those unable to help themselves. There will always be people trying to exploit a common good, but that doesn’t mean they’re the majority.

If you’re willing to risk everything by moving to a new country with no money where you might not even speak the language, you’re have above average drive and appetite for risk. For example, grandchildren of such immigrants do not share the same economic outlook [1].

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/03/19/upshot/race-c...

Re: In fighting homeless camp, Irvine's Asians win, but at a cost

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Post by jopsen »

NedIsakoff wrote: post #27

I'm Asian/Canadian (arrived in Canada in 1988 at 8) and have worked in the US since 2009. I consider myself a 0.5 generation immigrant. Talking my parents, other first generation immigrants, and even some second generation etc. They do have a common view. If we came here with very little (my parents arrived with $200 in their pockets), worked hard, and eventually became successful then why can't other people do the s…

Probably your parents had enoumous will power, most people don't migrate to another country.

Immigrants are not representative of the general population. Often they are stronger in many ways :)

Similarly, you can ask why didn't everybody from their native country emigrate.

Just my random guess...

Re: In fighting homeless camp, Irvine's Asians win, but at a cost

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Post by floatingatoll »

mirkules wrote: post #24

This really is a regional problem. I live around the area, near the beautiful Santa Ana trail which connects two counties to the ocean. A few months ago, I rode down the 40-mile stretch for the first time in a long time, and I was absolutely shocked to see the extent of the tent city near the Anaheim Angels stadium. The people living there were living on hard times, it felt post-apocalyptic in some sense. The tent ar…

As a local, would you accept a regional sales tax increase of 1% if it paid for real housing and counseling services for the residents of the camp?

Re: In fighting homeless camp, Irvine's Asians win, but at a cost

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Post by azinman2 »

TomK32 wrote: post #43
mirkules wrote: post #24

This really is a regional problem. I live around the area, near the beautiful Santa Ana trail which connects two counties to the ocean. A few months ago, I rode down the 40-mile stretch for the first time in a long time, and I was absolutely shocked to see the extent of the tent city near the Anaheim Angels stadium. The people living there were living on hard times, it felt post-apocalyptic in some sense. The tent ar…

> I don't know what the answer is, or how to deal with it. The answer is to give them a home, help to get back into a regular life and make sure they don't run into the same issues again that led to their homelessness. Finland has managed to achieve this, why can't the rest of the western world follow?

Because the rest isn’t identical? Scale, education equality, discrepancies in make up and values, notions of state responsibility, healthcare accessibility, etc.

Re: In fighting homeless camp, Irvine's Asians win, but at a cost

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Post by RcouF1uZ4gsC »

NedIsakoff wrote: post #37
mirkules wrote: post #24

This really is a regional problem. I live around the area, near the beautiful Santa Ana trail which connects two counties to the ocean. A few months ago, I rode down the 40-mile stretch for the first time in a long time, and I was absolutely shocked to see the extent of the tent city near the Anaheim Angels stadium. The people living there were living on hard times, it felt post-apocalyptic in some sense. The tent ar…

So as someone said: if city X has a problem, they fix the problem by evicting the people, the people move to my city (city Y). Why should we (city Y) have to deal with it? Just evict them like city X did. What's good for the goose is good for the gander..

Eventually, they will end up in San Francisco who will welcome them.

Re: In fighting homeless camp, Irvine's Asians win, but at a cost

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Post by ranman »

TomK32 wrote: post #43
mirkules wrote: post #24

This really is a regional problem. I live around the area, near the beautiful Santa Ana trail which connects two counties to the ocean. A few months ago, I rode down the 40-mile stretch for the first time in a long time, and I was absolutely shocked to see the extent of the tent city near the Anaheim Angels stadium. The people living there were living on hard times, it felt post-apocalyptic in some sense. The tent ar…

> I don't know what the answer is, or how to deal with it. The answer is to give them a home, help to get back into a regular life and make sure they don't run into the same issues again that led to their homelessness. Finland has managed to achieve this, why can't the rest of the western world follow?

Finland has a population that is 70x smaller than the US. They also invest heavily in education. I assume other countries struggle scaling programs from 5 million people to 350 million... and that’s why many of the great programs that Finland has don’t scale to elsewhere.
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