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Re: Facebook urged to make GDPR its “baseline standard” globally

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Post by FooBarWidget » Mon, Apr 09, 2018, 3:10 PM UTC

throwafk81 wrote: post #10

FooBarWidget wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have seen a lot of GDPR critics on HN saying that the right to be forgotten is censorship. That news articles about criminals should not be deleted. The GP is probably reiterating such sentiments. Strangely, none of these critics ever seem to consider the opposite cases: what if a person was wrongly accused of murder, but was later found innocent? Old articles about his "suspicion for murder" should either be recti…

If someone is wrongly accused of murder, and then he's found innocent, he was still a suspect during some time, so those articles are correct.

Yes those articles are correct, but do you think that's what most people would think when they read it? Most likely the articles on suspicion for murder are ranked top in the search results while the articles about being cleared are hard to find. Many people tend to be judgemental, or at least err on the side of caution. In this case, potential employers could feel "where there is smoke, there is fire" and would rather close the "suspicion for murder" news article tab immediately and decide not hire this person, rather than searching further.

Let me give you a real world example. You know that meme about plastic surgery, "The only thing you’ll ever have to worry about is how to tell the kids"? The woman in that meme in fact did not have plastic surgery, but most people thought the meme was true and was about her, without researching the truth. It ruined her career. https://nextshark.com/heidi-yeh-chinese-family-plastic-surge...

You can't treat the Internet as an append only database where you can rectify things by publishing more stuff. The human mind is bounded rational and most people only look at the first Google search results page.

Re: Facebook urged to make GDPR its “baseline standard” globally

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Post by RussianCow » Mon, Apr 09, 2018, 3:11 PM UTC

sakabaro wrote: post #18

I think in the opposit we should urge US companies to fight against GDPR. Local foreign laws shouldn’t dictate how our companies should behave. Why not respecting speech laws in China or in Russia if we follow this precedent?

Are you really comparing GDPR to Chinese speech laws?

Re: Facebook urged to make GDPR its “baseline standard” globally

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Post by mcny » Mon, Apr 09, 2018, 3:11 PM UTC

tunareter wrote: post #16

quantumwoke wrote: post #12

There's been so many articles about Facebook and the recent privacy catastrophe that I'm finding it hard to keep up. Does anybody actually know what their response will be to the GDPR? Are the privacy benefits from the GDPR going to be exclusive to EU citizens? This seems problematic. Whatever happens, Facebook has irreparably damaged my trust in their handling of user data and I think many on here would agree. My wi…

EU residents, not citizens. It's an important distinction.

> EU residents, not citizens. It's an important distinction.

Sorry if this is obvious. I haven't been following the details of this.

Does that mean there is no protection for EU citizens while they are outside the EU?

Re: Facebook urged to make GDPR its “baseline standard” globally

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Post by billysielu » Mon, Apr 09, 2018, 3:12 PM UTC

ggregoire wrote: post #19

"[any big US tech companies] Urged to Adopt GDPR Globally as a Standard" As an European living abroad, I still have no idea if I will be protected by the GDPR. I read at least 2 opposite answers on HN on the last days: "yes because you are a EU citizen", "no because it's where you are when the data are collected that matters".

I think the answer is whether GDPR applies or not, companies are going to be collecting and sharing data about you.

Re: Facebook urged to make GDPR its “baseline standard” globally

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Post by notheguyouthink » Mon, Apr 09, 2018, 3:12 PM UTC

sakabaro wrote: post #11

maxxxxx wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You probably should explain this statement.

I agree with parent. GDPR is a threat to freedom of speech while not changing much in term of privacy as worst actors is governements themselves. Edward Snowden revalations are 100x worse than whatever worse FB scenario you are picking. GDPR sets a bad precedent with local laws impacting foreign businesses. In this logic, why Chinese speech laws shouldn’t apply to EU and US companies if GDPR applies globally?

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Re: Facebook urged to make GDPR its “baseline standard” globally

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Post by pfarnsworth » Mon, Apr 09, 2018, 3:13 PM UTC

Having worked on GDPR, it is unnecessarily harsh and in no way, shape or form would I support this standard going global. There are plenty of ways to make users data completely private without being ridiculously overreaching the way GDPR is. And having the sword of infinite lawsuits hanging over your head has and never will work, look at how ambulance chasers in the US have taken the most mundane laws and turned them into free money.

Re: Facebook urged to make GDPR its “baseline standard” globally

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Post by JumpCrisscross » Mon, Apr 09, 2018, 3:13 PM UTC

“Urging” Facebook to do anything not in its commercial interest isn’t worth squat. Best case: another vague promise to be broken as soon as we forget.

Facebook needs to be broken up and an American GDPR codified into law. If you care about this, pick up the phone and call your Congressperson and Senators.

Re: Facebook urged to make GDPR its “baseline standard” globally

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Post by athenot » Mon, Apr 09, 2018, 3:13 PM UTC

FooBarWidget wrote: post #7

maxxxxx wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You probably should explain this statement.

I have seen a lot of GDPR critics on HN saying that the right to be forgotten is censorship. That news articles about criminals should not be deleted. The GP is probably reiterating such sentiments. Strangely, none of these critics ever seem to consider the opposite cases: what if a person was wrongly accused of murder, but was later found innocent? Old articles about his "suspicion for murder" should either be recti…

Interesting you mention that. In many places in Europe, it is forbidden to release the name of a suspect until they are found guilty or there's heavy evidence weighing against them. Specifically for that reason.

Re: Facebook urged to make GDPR its “baseline standard” globally

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Post by FooBarWidget » Mon, Apr 09, 2018, 3:14 PM UTC

sakabaro wrote: post #14

FooBarWidget wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have seen a lot of GDPR critics on HN saying that the right to be forgotten is censorship. That news articles about criminals should not be deleted. The GP is probably reiterating such sentiments. Strangely, none of these critics ever seem to consider the opposite cases: what if a person was wrongly accused of murder, but was later found innocent? Old articles about his "suspicion for murder" should either be recti…

I don’t think allowing the police to remove their errors from the Internet is a good thing.

Who said anything about the police? The GDPR does not say that the police has the right remove stuff. It allows courts to rule that a company must comply to a removal order.

Re: Facebook urged to make GDPR its “baseline standard” globally

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Post by desas » Mon, Apr 09, 2018, 3:15 PM UTC

JD557 wrote: post #13

izacus wrote: post #8

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It's as absurd as Google/Facebook/et al. adopting US cultural norms as global standard of banning ads, YouTube content, social media content and everything else for the whole world. Meaning: not absurd at all.

While I don't agree with some of Google/Facebook/et al. standards, I think that's not a fair comparison, since they are US based companies following US cultural norms, not EU based companies following US cultural norms.

Facebook and Google have many subsidiary companies based in the EU