Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is • Hacker News Board

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Post by WA » Mon, Apr 09, 2018, 5:22 AM UTC

downandout wrote: post #339

sametmax wrote: post #335

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So basically we create a law to protect user data and your answer is "let's only work with countries that think messing up with my users is ok" ?

It’s not about being able to “mess with [your] users”. It’s about sites that don’t need EU traffic anyway being unnecessarily exposed to fines for even accidental violations of a very complex law.

Btw. same goes the other way around: if you don’t want or need US customers, it might make sense to block people from the US based on IPs, because if you do business with US citizens, they can sue you according to US laws with their ridiculous high fines.

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Post by elaus » Mon, Apr 09, 2018, 5:27 AM UTC

Bizarro wrote: post #328

beojan wrote: post #142

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> No, it will basically make a newsmedia site unprofitable. I think it is the EU that has not fully thought this through. Most of the news industry is already sickly, financially, and they mostly have no model other than advertising (with a very few exceptions). We have publicly funded broadcasters in most EU countries. The ad-supported news sites, on the other hand, are generally doing more harm than good. News outl…

We have publicly funded broadcasters in most EU countries. The ad-supported news sites, on the other hand, are generally doing more harm than good. Why am I not surprised that a European is saying that the government-backed "broadcaster" are all so good, and evil private American new sites are bad. this pretty much sums up the real agenda behind GDPR. It would be better to call the bluff of these EUrocrats and see wh…

Why am I not surprised that a European is saying that the government-backed "broadcaster" are all so good, and evil private American new sites are bad.

Nowhere in that comment I can find a reference to American (evil) news sites. There are more than enough private news sites based in Europe, so I wonder why you are so hell-bent on making this an EU vs US thing. Most EU residents will read news in their own language (which in most cases isn't English).

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Post by jon_richards » Mon, Apr 09, 2018, 5:36 AM UTC

wvenable wrote: post #337

noobiemcfoob wrote: post #295

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So...use oauth?

Hurrah so now sites won't use their own logins and I'll be forced to let Google or Facebook know every site I want to connect to. That's an improvement?

This actually brings up a point that was made in a cambridge analytica post. If personal information is deleted after it has already trained a dimension-reducing model, is it really deleted?

If Google and Facebook see everything because of oauth, we can ask them what data they have and tell them to delete it, but they won't be deleting whatever models they've been training about us.

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Post by beojan » Mon, Apr 09, 2018, 5:37 AM UTC

sumeno wrote: post #170

beojan wrote: post #142

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> No, it will basically make a newsmedia site unprofitable. I think it is the EU that has not fully thought this through. Most of the news industry is already sickly, financially, and they mostly have no model other than advertising (with a very few exceptions). We have publicly funded broadcasters in most EU countries. The ad-supported news sites, on the other hand, are generally doing more harm than good. News outl…

You don't see the potential problem if the only media that is able to exist is that which is state sponsored? You may be happy with the state sponsored options now, but will that always be the case? Would you feel the same if you living in the Soviet Union or Germany circa 1940?

Why would you only have state sponsored media? You also have private media that you pay for (newspapers).

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Post by dragonwriter » Mon, Apr 09, 2018, 5:39 AM UTC

beojan wrote: post #344

sumeno wrote: post #170

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You don't see the potential problem if the only media that is able to exist is that which is state sponsored? You may be happy with the state sponsored options now, but will that always be the case? Would you feel the same if you living in the Soviet Union or Germany circa 1940?

Why would you only have state sponsored media? You also have private media that you pay for (newspapers).

Newspapers are mostly paid for by advertising; having readers pay is mostly important because paid circulation is a signal of level of engagement that helps sell ads (though there are free papers that are entirely as supported, too.)

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Post by beojan » Mon, Apr 09, 2018, 5:45 AM UTC

saryant wrote: post #326

martin_bech wrote: post #187

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How is CNN, Fox News and the sinclair group, working out for you guys? I trust state paid media in the EU, way more than any US news media. The reason why most EU countries have state paid media, is so that its non commercial, non partisan, and cant be bought. There are different principles in place, so government has no say, in what is broadcast/not broadcast. This also means that all political parties get the same…

New York Times, Washington Post, Boston Globe? Those are three publications that have sent shockwaves around the world with their privately-funded investigative journalism.

Absolutely, and they would benefit from the end of ad supported, low quality but free online news. All three are subscription funded.

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Post by beojan » Mon, Apr 09, 2018, 5:49 AM UTC

Eyas wrote: post #168

beojan wrote: post #142

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> No, it will basically make a newsmedia site unprofitable. I think it is the EU that has not fully thought this through. Most of the news industry is already sickly, financially, and they mostly have no model other than advertising (with a very few exceptions). We have publicly funded broadcasters in most EU countries. The ad-supported news sites, on the other hand, are generally doing more harm than good. News outl…

> News outlets existed before the web, so they're not going to be threatened by breaking the ad-supported website model. If anything, the traditional newspapers will be saved by this, because if free online news disappears, people will start buying newspaper subscriptions again. We're also seeing very concerning trends in the readerships and profitability of print media (because of the Web, many think). So I don't th…

That's my point. Get rid of the free “news" sites and people will start paying for print media (and digital subscriptions) again.

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Post by verylittlemeat » Mon, Apr 09, 2018, 5:50 AM UTC

feedmeseymour wrote: post #15

mlinksva wrote: post #3

> Today, for instance, we see that a majority of people who install an ad blocker don't actually do it to block ads (that's just an added bonus). They are actually doing it to block tracking. Is there any evidence for this at all?

Every person I know that uses an ad blocker (5, including myself) does it to prevent tracking. In fact, I want to white list certain websites (a dozen or so) to continue seeing ads, but I don’t want to because I know that they are likely using Google for their ads and I don’t want Google’s little grabbling hands tracking me.

The #1 reason I use adblock is to block youtube ads.

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Post by beberlei » Mon, Apr 09, 2018, 5:51 AM UTC

briandear wrote: post #233

Xylakant wrote: post #206

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German public media is not state sponsored. It’s an independent entity which is paid for by public fees (not taxes, the money never goes through the governments coffers). There are some levers that could be used to exert some level of control, for example the height of the fee is set by a commission that is partly under government control and many ex-politicians get elected into high positions, but all in all, public…

What is the difference between a tax and a mandatory fee? If government requires me to pay a fee, it’s a tax.

in german law a tax is general purpose, government can use the money to pay for any of their "services". whereas a fee has a specific purpose and cannot be used for anything else.

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Post by dotancohen » Mon, Apr 09, 2018, 5:53 AM UTC

downandout wrote: post #296

michaelbuckbee wrote: post #14

GDPR articles seem to be getting some traction on HN as everyone is trying to figure out: "Do I need to do something for this? Is so, what?" For a recent project I read (and translated to plain english) [1] every single article in the GDPR legislation and for our purposes it can be summed up as: "Treat user data like names and emails as if they were credit card numbers" AKA: be paranoid about keeping them, encrypt th…

Honestly, the best thing to do if you don’t have a high percentage of EU users/customers is to simply block EU IPs. First it was the completely useless cookie notifications, now it’s GDPR, and nobody knows what the next thing will be - we only know that there will be a next thing (there always is), and that it too will be costly and burdensome to comply with. Unless you derive a significant percentage of your revenue…

> Honestly, the best thing to do if you don’t have a high percentage of EU users/customers is to simply block EU IPs.

Could you please block my IP address as well: 192.117.111.61

If you feel that being responsible with my personal information and metadata is not worth the trouble, then I don't want to accidentally ever use whatever service you maintain. Thanks.