Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is • Hacker News Board

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Post by Silhouette » Sun, Apr 08, 2018, 8:27 PM UTC

molf wrote: post #125

dmix wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That letter is likely only a problem when selectively used by a malicious actor against a small organization. Which is what is so annoying and economically destructive about regulations like these that are broadly applied to all companies, especially on the internet where single person companies are very popular. They are designed in a vindictive way against large companies like Facebook or major online retailers w…

For most smaller businesses there is no real reason to do all that much as long as you can answer such questions on an ad-hoc basis. Although of course we still have to see how widespread it will become in practice. Basically you need to make sure you 100% know what data you collect (including any third parties) and make sure you have a good reason to collect it. Honestly most of GDPR should be considered "common sen…

Unfortunately even if you're already handling personal data responsibly, the GDPR still also requires that you be able to provide various documented policies to your regulator on demand, still contains lots of ambiguity about how far subject rights can go in practice, still imposes obligations to include lots of extra detail in privacy policies or otherwise provide lots of information and active warnings to data subjects, etc.

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Post by borne0 » Sun, Apr 08, 2018, 8:27 PM UTC

I've had to deal with this at work (anticipatory only so far), but what I can't seem to figure out is what the inquiring European needs to provide to us to prove that the data we have is actually theirs. We don't capture pii data in most instances, so if someone requests their info under GDPR and provide us an IP and a time do we take them at their word?

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Post by molf » Sun, Apr 08, 2018, 8:29 PM UTC

gingerlime wrote: post #152

molf wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can charge reasonable administrative fees or refuse to act if the request is "manifestly unfounded or excessive, in particular because of their repetitive character". [1] [1] https://gdpr-info.eu/art-12-gdpr/

Is a single request like this from a single individual excessive or repetitive though??

I think GDPR intends to protect businesses from "denial of service attacks" through sending many repetitive or bogus requests. A single, legitimate request is definitely not excessive.

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Post by Arqu » Sun, Apr 08, 2018, 8:29 PM UTC

rossdavidh wrote: post #135

In fact, I think the author is underestimating the impact, right here: "Of course, making this change will have a dramatic impact on your revenue for single-visit traffic, because you basically have to design your ad model to work completely differently from how it works today." No, it will basically make a newsmedia site unprofitable. I think it is the EU that has not fully thought this through. Most of the news ind…

I completely disagree with this. Firstly, the media currently are too lucrative for my taste and thats why we have everyone being a journalist and publisher. By cutting down on the easy money, only those worth surviving will probably stand. This will seriously cut down on more than just ads, ie fake news and unverified sources. An alternative I'd love to see is sponsored articles as the main source of income for these. Let the corporations have to pay bigger bucks to have their posts published. This will hopefully reduce the clutter, force the media outlets to provide quality content to keep a certain level of trust and quality to attract businesses as well as a good targeted audience.

Personally I'd live to have most media completely in the dark about visitors to solely speculate on the quality of their own content. Only metric they need is daily visitor count. Everything else can be shaped by type and quality of content. A great example is HN where we have a very targeted audience due to the content it serves. It obviously also has some sponsored articles but also the indirect benefits it has on new startups and so on. Just treat it as TV marketing and not a per person customized monetization strategy.

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Post by MarkMc » Sun, Apr 08, 2018, 8:30 PM UTC

It seems to me that GDPR restricts economic growth.

For example, I'd be quite happy to let my local supermarket sell my personal data to Google in exchange for a 3% discount on my grocery prices. Everone would benefit: (1) The supermarket gets an additional source of revenue; (2) Google can charge more for ads; (3) The toothpaste company gets better return on it's advertising; (4) I pay less for my groceries.

GDPR prohibits this kind of win-win agreement, doesn't it?

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Post by asadkn » Sun, Apr 08, 2018, 8:30 PM UTC

Thanks EU, we'll have more popups than ever that everyone's going to agree out of habit.

It's not fun seeing a popup on every site you visit. This should have been a brower-based implementation globally that every site must adhere to.

Even worse for me, I browse exclusively in private/incognito mode and this is going to make that unusable with consent popups on sites on every visit.

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Post by merb » Sun, Apr 08, 2018, 8:33 PM UTC

eyeareque wrote: post #132

Animats wrote: post #64

It's even bigger than that. It's been mentioned on HN before, but see the "GPDR Letter."[1] Anyone in the EU can send you such a letter, and you have 30 days to reply. Please confirm to me whether or not my personal data is being processed. If it is, please provide me with the categories of personal data you have about me in your files and databases. a. In particular, please tell me what you know about me in your inf…

I dream of the day that I can ask various companies to delete every piece of data they have about me.

and you really think that they will? you pretty sure will get the following response:

ok -- hidden in their database -- (date_deleted = now()) fixed.

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Post by Eyas » Sun, Apr 08, 2018, 8:33 PM UTC

beojan wrote: post #142

rossdavidh wrote: post #135

In fact, I think the author is underestimating the impact, right here: "Of course, making this change will have a dramatic impact on your revenue for single-visit traffic, because you basically have to design your ad model to work completely differently from how it works today." No, it will basically make a newsmedia site unprofitable. I think it is the EU that has not fully thought this through. Most of the news ind…

> No, it will basically make a newsmedia site unprofitable. I think it is the EU that has not fully thought this through. Most of the news industry is already sickly, financially, and they mostly have no model other than advertising (with a very few exceptions). We have publicly funded broadcasters in most EU countries. The ad-supported news sites, on the other hand, are generally doing more harm than good. News outl…

> News outlets existed before the web, so they're not going to be threatened by breaking the ad-supported website model. If anything, the traditional newspapers will be saved by this, because if free online news disappears, people will start buying newspaper subscriptions again.

We're also seeing very concerning trends in the readerships and profitability of print media (because of the Web, many think). So I don't think you can use the "News outlets existed before the web" line, without much more justification.

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Post by krotton » Sun, Apr 08, 2018, 8:35 PM UTC

beojan wrote: post #142

rossdavidh wrote: post #135

In fact, I think the author is underestimating the impact, right here: "Of course, making this change will have a dramatic impact on your revenue for single-visit traffic, because you basically have to design your ad model to work completely differently from how it works today." No, it will basically make a newsmedia site unprofitable. I think it is the EU that has not fully thought this through. Most of the news ind…

> No, it will basically make a newsmedia site unprofitable. I think it is the EU that has not fully thought this through. Most of the news industry is already sickly, financially, and they mostly have no model other than advertising (with a very few exceptions). We have publicly funded broadcasters in most EU countries. The ad-supported news sites, on the other hand, are generally doing more harm than good. News outl…

Publically funded TV is prone to become a propaganda tube of the government. In some cases it already has (in Poland for example). Relying on it as the only news source would be silly (relying on a single news source in general is usually silly, but even more if the government directly handles the staffing).

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Post by sumeno » Sun, Apr 08, 2018, 8:38 PM UTC

beojan wrote: post #142

rossdavidh wrote: post #135

In fact, I think the author is underestimating the impact, right here: "Of course, making this change will have a dramatic impact on your revenue for single-visit traffic, because you basically have to design your ad model to work completely differently from how it works today." No, it will basically make a newsmedia site unprofitable. I think it is the EU that has not fully thought this through. Most of the news ind…

> No, it will basically make a newsmedia site unprofitable. I think it is the EU that has not fully thought this through. Most of the news industry is already sickly, financially, and they mostly have no model other than advertising (with a very few exceptions). We have publicly funded broadcasters in most EU countries. The ad-supported news sites, on the other hand, are generally doing more harm than good. News outl…

You don't see the potential problem if the only media that is able to exist is that which is state sponsored?

You may be happy with the state sponsored options now, but will that always be the case? Would you feel the same if you living in the Soviet Union or Germany circa 1940?