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Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Hopefully this castrates Google Analytics so much it's useless and goes away.

Why? Having insight into website traffic is hugely valuable to webmasters.

Why is it? Do you mean marketing people rather than webmasters? Won't webmasters have logs?

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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> This should have been a brower-based implementation globally that every site must adhere to. This. if EU actually cared enough, they 'd go to the browser vendors to enforce some basic prompts on tracking and forms, and it would be better than gdpr because it would work for everyone from day 1. This law will bring a few more prompts and not much else (because most services can be provided with slight changes like ha…

IIRC this is exactly what is being done with the upcoming ePrivacy directive. For example I believe it will become mandatory to honour the DNT header.

You are still going to display a popup to know if user is aware of his setting for a particular website.

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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>If you are big enough to have to worry about this you are probably a company with plenty of resources to think and comply with this You'd be surprised. GDPR is vague enough and just open to interpretation enough that there are many different companies interpreting it in many different ways. I'm a consultant and I talk to many multi-nationals and all of them have their own spin on it. Especially around the "except wh…

My company is one that everyone on HN has heard of, and they are interpreting it as "don't worry, we don't need to make any changes because _____". It will be interesting to see if they change their tune as May 25 approaches.

The EU are totally threatening fines of the greater of €20M or 4% of global turnover because they want to preserve the status quo. /s

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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I am coming to the whole GDPR party really late (very recent startup). For example we use Auth0 for our authentication service. Auth0 doesn't support storing everything. So we use the auth0 user id in a db table, which contains some user preferences. Does that mean i need to get consent from the user to use their user id? In our database even though they are paying for this service, and we are paying for their auth0…

If you cannot operate the service without that particular data, you don’t need explicit consent.

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Does this mean every site will need to ask permission for Google Analytics?

As far as I've researched, no. GDPR is open to the sorts of tracking that is used to make your product better. In the case of google analytics, you're watching for aspects of your product or blog that are doing well so you can produce more of the content viewers like.

One of the caveats though, is that you shouldn't be able to identify a specific user. So, you would need to anonymize the IP addresses you're tracking [1]. My understanding is that you should not be tracking or storing information that can be used to identify a single user. So cookies are ok, but you have to ask permission for any cookie that can be used to personally identify a user.

[1] https://developers.google.com/analytics/devguides/collection...

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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> No, it will basically make a newsmedia site unprofitable. I think it is the EU that has not fully thought this through. Most of the news industry is already sickly, financially, and they mostly have no model other than advertising (with a very few exceptions). We have publicly funded broadcasters in most EU countries. The ad-supported news sites, on the other hand, are generally doing more harm than good. News outl…

You don't see the potential problem if the only media that is able to exist is that which is state sponsored? You may be happy with the state sponsored options now, but will that always be the case? Would you feel the same if you living in the Soviet Union or Germany circa 1940?

At least a determined propagandist would need to corrupt every state media in the EU, much harder than just one.

None EU media would still exist.

Several UK media outlets use paywalls already, presumably they too would remain.

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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In general I agree with your assessment, that being said I do think that the GDPR is a decent set of guidelines for putting in place a system that respects user data in a way that clearly has not been happening.

Why not prevent personal data from leaking in first place? It's a solution applied at the wrong level, a or wrongly drawn system boundary if you will. The damage it causes is psychological, preventing many EU businesses from starting in first place. They're destroying the food chain for startups (small independent businesses). The EU and politcians are anti UX, they have no clue about the effect of their laws on peop…

> Why not prevent personal data from leaking in first place?

"The first place" would be not collecting it, an option that companies are seriously considering for nonessential data that they previously collected merely because it was convenient and accepted to do so.

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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As a Canadian, if I am also an eCitizen of Estonia, will the GDPR protect me from EU-based companies? Or do I have to actually _live_ in the EU to be protected?

Great question, I'm also Canadian but have European citizenship, maybe I'll be able to use this to get information from my municipal government that I can't get as a Canadian.

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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> No, it will basically make a newsmedia site unprofitable. I think it is the EU that has not fully thought this through. Most of the news industry is already sickly, financially, and they mostly have no model other than advertising (with a very few exceptions). We have publicly funded broadcasters in most EU countries. The ad-supported news sites, on the other hand, are generally doing more harm than good. News outl…

You don't see the potential problem if the only media that is able to exist is that which is state sponsored? You may be happy with the state sponsored options now, but will that always be the case? Would you feel the same if you living in the Soviet Union or Germany circa 1940?

I don’t think ownership structure is the key factor. More important is robustness of institutions that protect freedom of expression and freedom of the press. The Nazi government had little patience for critical private media either.
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