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Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Post by nopriorarrests »

Arqu wrote: post #164
rossdavidh wrote: post #135

In fact, I think the author is underestimating the impact, right here: "Of course, making this change will have a dramatic impact on your revenue for single-visit traffic, because you basically have to design your ad model to work completely differently from how it works today." No, it will basically make a newsmedia site unprofitable. I think it is the EU that has not fully thought this through. Most of the news ind…

I completely disagree with this. Firstly, the media currently are too lucrative for my taste and thats why we have everyone being a journalist and publisher. By cutting down on the easy money, only those worth surviving will probably stand. This will seriously cut down on more than just ads, ie fake news and unverified sources. An alternative I'd love to see is sponsored articles as the main source of income for thes…

>This will seriously cut down on more than just ads, ie fake news and unverified sources.

Why do you think so? I don't see clickbait industry seriously affected. They churn out a ton of crappy content which costs almost nothing to produce (at least if compared with reputable journalistic work), monetize it with low quality ads for shitty CPM rates, but as long as part of their content goes viral, tons and tons of pageviews allow to balance everything.

GDPR changes nothing in this business.

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Post by roel_v »

drchiu wrote: post #89
paulddraper wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is the US government GDPR compliant, or does it not do business with EU citizens? Or are they granted an expection for being trustworthy good guys unlike these unscrupulous businesses?

I would imagine that only legitimate businesses have to be GDPR compliant. Government agencies almost certainly fall under some national security exemption.

Wut? No. The first organizations I'm going to send gdpr letters are hospitals, which are in no way businesses here in the Netherlands.

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Post by chmars »

madeofpalk wrote: post #94
briandear wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So do American constitutional protections apply to Americans living in France? I am having a hard time understanding GDPR jurisdictional power. US citizens in France aren’t protected by the US Fair Credit Act with French banks, even when those French banks have US subisidiaries because a French company in France isn’t subject to US legal jurisdiction. Even FATCA doesn’t subject a French bank to US law — it subjects F…

This is my main question actually. While most of GDPR is common sense and shouldn't be much of a burden on companies[1], I was always confused about jurisdiction. While most larger companies have a legal presence somewhere within the EU that can be held accountable for this, I do wonder how the EU is supposed to be enforce penalties on a company outside of the EU. [1]: well, the difficulty grows the larger your compa…

According to art. 27 GDPR, affected data processors outside the EU have to establish a data privacy representative in the EU.

In addition, authorities could for example seize local servers in the case of non-compliance. In many EU countries including Germany, data privacy violations can also be prosecuted as criminal offenses.

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Post by mi100hael »

akvadrako wrote: post #159
mgiannopoulos wrote: post #83

The author claims that for one-time visitors you're not supposed to have any 3rd-party tracking code but uses Google Analytics which Ghostery counts as a tracking code. How's that going to work out for practically every site in the world?

Hopefully this castrates Google Analytics so much it's useless and goes away.

Why? Having insight into website traffic is hugely valuable to webmasters.

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Post by perpetualcrayon »

What if a site simply made available direct access to download all raw data related to a session / user account that had been stored? And of course attempt to describe / explain each data point. Would this be sufficient to meet the GDPR guidelines? I have only limited exposure to this legislation so far, but want to learn more. I have no reservations to share all data stored to a visitor, and would probably opt to do this if it covers you instead of painstakingly going through each data point to evaluate what needs to be done.

Give the user complete access to the raw data and give them the opportunity to delete all records of that data if they choose to.

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Post by adventured »

sumeno wrote: post #170
beojan wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No, it will basically make a newsmedia site unprofitable. I think it is the EU that has not fully thought this through. Most of the news industry is already sickly, financially, and they mostly have no model other than advertising (with a very few exceptions). We have publicly funded broadcasters in most EU countries. The ad-supported news sites, on the other hand, are generally doing more harm than good. News outl…

You don't see the potential problem if the only media that is able to exist is that which is state sponsored? You may be happy with the state sponsored options now, but will that always be the case? Would you feel the same if you living in the Soviet Union or Germany circa 1940?

How about Hungary 2020? Poland 2022?

Strong emphasis that I'm not equating those to your examples. Rather, pointing out that even a subtle version of undesirable or extreme politics can lead to a similar concern.

Given the wild political swing going on in about half of Europe, it's a legitimate concern today, no need to look back 80 years. Not to mention persistently growing censorship and criminalization of speech in more liberal countries such as France.

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Post by weinzierl »

This article focuses very one-sidedly on the consent aspect but this is not the whole story. The basic principle behind GDPR is not "getting consent" it is "if you want to collect or process data you need a justification" [1]. The justification should and will be in most cases some other law or regulation. Only if you can't find that justification elsewhere you will need to get consent.

A good example for this is the Cookie under GDPR. The original plan was for both the GDPR and the ePrivacy Regulation [2] (not to be confused with the ePrivacy Direcive) to come into effect on 25 May 2018. The ePrivacy Regulation would have had given the justification for using analytics Cookies without consent. Now that ePrivacy Regulation is delayed some argue that national laws can provide that justification until we have a EU-Regulation.

[1]

>In order for processing to be lawful, personal data should be processed on the basis of the consent of the data subject concerned or some other legitimate basis, laid down by law, either in this Regulation or in other Union or Member State law [..]

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?qid=146243980...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPrivacy_Regulation_(European_...

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Post by fijal »

MarkMc wrote: post #165

It seems to me that GDPR restricts economic growth. For example, I'd be quite happy to let my local supermarket sell my personal data to Google in exchange for a 3% discount on my grocery prices. Everone would benefit: (1) The supermarket gets an additional source of revenue; (2) Google can charge more for ads; (3) The toothpaste company gets better return on it's advertising; (4) I pay less for my groceries. GDPR pr…

On the other hand, I would prefer to not have my local supermarket sell my data, even at an extra 3% and yet I have basically no option to do that.

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Post by Khaine »

MarkMc wrote: post #165

It seems to me that GDPR restricts economic growth. For example, I'd be quite happy to let my local supermarket sell my personal data to Google in exchange for a 3% discount on my grocery prices. Everone would benefit: (1) The supermarket gets an additional source of revenue; (2) Google can charge more for ads; (3) The toothpaste company gets better return on it's advertising; (4) I pay less for my groceries. GDPR pr…

What stops that local supermarket from selling your information to Google without your knowledge and boosting their profit by 3%?

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Post by roblabla »

MarkMc wrote: post #165

It seems to me that GDPR restricts economic growth. For example, I'd be quite happy to let my local supermarket sell my personal data to Google in exchange for a 3% discount on my grocery prices. Everone would benefit: (1) The supermarket gets an additional source of revenue; (2) Google can charge more for ads; (3) The toothpaste company gets better return on it's advertising; (4) I pay less for my groceries. GDPR pr…

1. This is only a "win-win" insofar as you do not seem to care much about your privacy

2. GDPR does not prohibit this agreement, but it requires the company to get consent from you before selling your personal data.

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