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Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Post by sumeno » Sun, Apr 08, 2018, 9:28 PM UTC

martin_bech wrote: post #187

sumeno wrote: post #170

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You don't see the potential problem if the only media that is able to exist is that which is state sponsored? You may be happy with the state sponsored options now, but will that always be the case? Would you feel the same if you living in the Soviet Union or Germany circa 1940?

How is CNN, Fox News and the sinclair group, working out for you guys? I trust state paid media in the EU, way more than any US news media. The reason why most EU countries have state paid media, is so that its non commercial, non partisan, and cant be bought. There are different principles in place, so government has no say, in what is broadcast/not broadcast. This also means that all political parties get the same…

CNN isn't great journalism, but it isn't the only source of information.

The problems with Fox News and Sinclair aren't based on advertising, they are based on ownership. State sponsored media isn't going to be any better under an autocrat and will in fact be worse than the situation in the US because there may not be any other options.

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Post by ryandrake » Sun, Apr 08, 2018, 9:30 PM UTC

Silhouette wrote: post #161

molf wrote: post #125

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For most smaller businesses there is no real reason to do all that much as long as you can answer such questions on an ad-hoc basis. Although of course we still have to see how widespread it will become in practice. Basically you need to make sure you 100% know what data you collect (including any third parties) and make sure you have a good reason to collect it. Honestly most of GDPR should be considered "common sen…

Unfortunately even if you're already handling personal data responsibly, the GDPR still also requires that you be able to provide various documented policies to your regulator on demand, still contains lots of ambiguity about how far subject rights can go in practice, still imposes obligations to include lots of extra detail in privacy policies or otherwise provide lots of information and active warnings to data subj…

How about, “Our documented policy is to not collect personal information from users at all.” Assuming it’s true, wouldn’t that be compliant?

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Post by lossolo » Sun, Apr 08, 2018, 9:34 PM UTC

filoleg wrote: post #209

lossolo wrote: post #183

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BBC is counterargument to what you wrote. It shows that publicly founded news outlets can work without being government propaganda tube.

His argument wasn't that all state-funded news media is a propaganda machine. His argument was that it easily can become one, and you won't have a better option, since all the other news media would be choked out of existence.

> since all the other news media would be choked out of existence.

There are other private TV outlets in those countries in EU and this legislation will not change it. Lets stop being paranoid and portraying legislation that should protect our privacy as something that will destroy democracy.

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Post by jotm » Sun, Apr 08, 2018, 9:34 PM UTC

"Today, for instance, we see that a majority of people who install an ad blocker don't actually do it to block ads (that's just an added bonus). They are actually doing it to block tracking"

No, it's the other way around.

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Post by golemiprague » Sun, Apr 08, 2018, 9:34 PM UTC

It looks to me like this stupid thing they require in the EU tell the user you are using cookies. Now every website has this annoying massage that you have to click on which says that they use cookies, as if we didn't know or really care.

The EU are champions in adding red tape and stifling competition from small players. They do it by mountains of regulations which costs a lot of money to implement and is meaningless.

What we will at the end is mainly annoying messages essentially saying "we are going to do everything the same since that's the way we make money, you will agree because you want our service for free". Only it will cost much more to go through the ceremony so only established big companies will be able to afford the cost.

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Post by dbg31415 » Sun, Apr 08, 2018, 9:36 PM UTC

mi100hael wrote: post #174

akvadrako wrote: post #159

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Hopefully this castrates Google Analytics so much it's useless and goes away.

Why? Having insight into website traffic is hugely valuable to webmasters.

They shouldn't have to feed information to Google -- they just need to look at the logs on their servers. Y'know... the way we did it before Google Analytics came along.

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Post by cdjk » Sun, Apr 08, 2018, 9:36 PM UTC

Most companies seem to be setting up GDPR portals to download/delete all your personal data. I'm waiting for the breach of one of these portals - that will lots of fun to watch.

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Post by briandear » Sun, Apr 08, 2018, 9:38 PM UTC

molf wrote: post #90

briandear wrote: post #85

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So do American constitutional protections apply to Americans living in France? I am having a hard time understanding GDPR jurisdictional power. US citizens in France aren’t protected by the US Fair Credit Act with French banks, even when those French banks have US subisidiaries because a French company in France isn’t subject to US legal jurisdiction. Even FATCA doesn’t subject a French bank to US law — it subjects F…

> The idea that GDPR requests have to be honored by some local ecommerce company in Idaho is just nonsense and not supported by any international legal precedent. This is true. GDPR would only apply there if they were "offering goods or services, irrespective of whether a payment of the data subject is required, to data subjects in the European Union". [1] This is understood to mean they must be marketing to the EU,…

European languages? That’s absurd. Your product could be targeting US Spanish speakers, African speakers of French or newly arrived German speaking US citizens. Using language as a determinant is without any legal basis. Having your website in French doesn’t mean you are selling to French citizens. Language doesn’t equal location. Language does not impart jurisdiction.

If a small hotel in California had a French language information page, that doesn’t make that hotel subject to an EU law. If I am wrong, then where is the case law? Where is the legal precedent?

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Post by ryandrake » Sun, Apr 08, 2018, 9:38 PM UTC

Khaine wrote: post #179

MarkMc wrote: post #165

It seems to me that GDPR restricts economic growth. For example, I'd be quite happy to let my local supermarket sell my personal data to Google in exchange for a 3% discount on my grocery prices. Everone would benefit: (1) The supermarket gets an additional source of revenue; (2) Google can charge more for ads; (3) The toothpaste company gets better return on it's advertising; (4) I pay less for my groceries. GDPR pr…

What stops that local supermarket from selling your information to Google without your knowledge and boosting their profit by 3%?

I suppose the fact that, if discovered, it will boost their revenue by -4% :-)

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Post by sumeno » Sun, Apr 08, 2018, 9:39 PM UTC

Xylakant wrote: post #206

sumeno wrote: post #170

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You don't see the potential problem if the only media that is able to exist is that which is state sponsored? You may be happy with the state sponsored options now, but will that always be the case? Would you feel the same if you living in the Soviet Union or Germany circa 1940?

German public media is not state sponsored. It’s an independent entity which is paid for by public fees (not taxes, the money never goes through the governments coffers). There are some levers that could be used to exert some level of control, for example the height of the fee is set by a commission that is partly under government control and many ex-politicians get elected into high positions, but all in all, public…

What protections are in place to prevent an internal takeover of the organization by a political party? Let's say the Roger Ailes of Germany finds his way to the top of German public media and uses that position to tilt coverage to be more favorable to his own party, what happens?

If all your eggs are in one basket what happens when something goes wrong with that basket?