Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is • Hacker News Board

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Post by foolfoolz » Sun, Apr 08, 2018, 8:53 PM UTC

perpetualcrayon wrote: post #175

What if a site simply made available direct access to download all raw data related to a session / user account that had been stored? And of course attempt to describe / explain each data point. Would this be sufficient to meet the GDPR guidelines? I have only limited exposure to this legislation so far, but want to learn more. I have no reservations to share all data stored to a visitor, and would probably opt to do…

deletion/retention of data is the harder part than accessing data. deletion after a reasonable time, such as account shutdown request by user. or users should have option to delete. or if you keep data for a long time, encrypting it safely. add on top of that legal holds (subpoena) and that it’s affecting your core data models, it’s not a simple task. it’s a lot of work.

one nice problem that popped up is we have mysql tables that can’t handle the delete traffic fast enough. gdpr is not a project you want to leave till the last few weeks

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Post by return0 » Sun, Apr 08, 2018, 8:55 PM UTC

asadkn wrote: post #166

Thanks EU, we'll have more popups than ever that everyone's going to agree out of habit. It's not fun seeing a popup on every site you visit. This should have been a brower-based implementation globally that every site must adhere to. Even worse for me, I browse exclusively in private/incognito mode and this is going to make that unusable with consent popups on sites on every visit.

> This should have been a brower-based implementation globally that every site must adhere to.

This. if EU actually cared enough, they 'd go to the browser vendors to enforce some basic prompts on tracking and forms, and it would be better than gdpr because it would work for everyone from day 1. This law will bring a few more prompts and not much else (because most services can be provided with slight changes like hashed ips).

Cookie prompts on every site you visit on your slow-ass phone connection are really really annoying and should go away. But americans don't protest about them because they don't see them and europeans are , well, sheepish.

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Post by lossolo » Sun, Apr 08, 2018, 8:55 PM UTC

krotton wrote: post #169

beojan wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No, it will basically make a newsmedia site unprofitable. I think it is the EU that has not fully thought this through. Most of the news industry is already sickly, financially, and they mostly have no model other than advertising (with a very few exceptions). We have publicly funded broadcasters in most EU countries. The ad-supported news sites, on the other hand, are generally doing more harm than good. News outl…

Publically funded TV is prone to become a propaganda tube of the government. In some cases it already has (in Poland for example). Relying on it as the only news source would be silly (relying on a single news source in general is usually silly, but even more if the government directly handles the staffing).

BBC is counterargument to what you wrote. It shows that publicly founded news outlets can work without being government propaganda tube.

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Post by ozim » Sun, Apr 08, 2018, 8:56 PM UTC

Eyas wrote: post #168

beojan wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No, it will basically make a newsmedia site unprofitable. I think it is the EU that has not fully thought this through. Most of the news industry is already sickly, financially, and they mostly have no model other than advertising (with a very few exceptions). We have publicly funded broadcasters in most EU countries. The ad-supported news sites, on the other hand, are generally doing more harm than good. News outl…

> News outlets existed before the web, so they're not going to be threatened by breaking the ad-supported website model. If anything, the traditional newspapers will be saved by this, because if free online news disappears, people will start buying newspaper subscriptions again. We're also seeing very concerning trends in the readerships and profitability of print media (because of the Web, many think). So I don't th…

I do not think it is bad, I think that is evolution. Ads only content is total crap. We have to teach people to pay for content. Second part is we have to teach publishers not to be greedy. Just like iTunes with music, easy small payments, not subscribtions no one wants. Maybe they could make actually some use of crypto currencies but there would have to be strong player like apple to press for consensus. Otherwise each one would like to have its own payment system and charge others for using it.

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Post by mr_toad » Sun, Apr 08, 2018, 8:57 PM UTC

MarkMc wrote: post #165

It seems to me that GDPR restricts economic growth. For example, I'd be quite happy to let my local supermarket sell my personal data to Google in exchange for a 3% discount on my grocery prices. Everone would benefit: (1) The supermarket gets an additional source of revenue; (2) Google can charge more for ads; (3) The toothpaste company gets better return on it's advertising; (4) I pay less for my groceries. GDPR pr…

Advertising produces nothing. It doesn’t increase your income, you can’t buy more because of it (especially, if like most people you’re already up to your eyeballs in debt). It just chages what you spend money on.

Advertising doesn’t help manufacturers make more or better goods. It just helps them sell them at the expense of others. Advertising is a deadweight loss, a competition between sellers that leaves them all worse off.

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Post by majani » Sun, Apr 08, 2018, 8:58 PM UTC

rossdavidh wrote: post #135

In fact, I think the author is underestimating the impact, right here: "Of course, making this change will have a dramatic impact on your revenue for single-visit traffic, because you basically have to design your ad model to work completely differently from how it works today." No, it will basically make a newsmedia site unprofitable. I think it is the EU that has not fully thought this through. Most of the news ind…

Publishers are getting squeezed out of the web by various forces. There is this GDPR, then there is also the web giants Facebook and Google squeezing them with their algorithms and in-app browsers. However, I'd say the net effect is positive because I'm seeing the lowest quality aggregator type blogs getting squeezed out and the only ones that are standing strong are the well funded publishers, which means better content.

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Post by martin_bech » Sun, Apr 08, 2018, 8:58 PM UTC

sumeno wrote: post #170

beojan wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No, it will basically make a newsmedia site unprofitable. I think it is the EU that has not fully thought this through. Most of the news industry is already sickly, financially, and they mostly have no model other than advertising (with a very few exceptions). We have publicly funded broadcasters in most EU countries. The ad-supported news sites, on the other hand, are generally doing more harm than good. News outl…

You don't see the potential problem if the only media that is able to exist is that which is state sponsored? You may be happy with the state sponsored options now, but will that always be the case? Would you feel the same if you living in the Soviet Union or Germany circa 1940?

How is CNN, Fox News and the sinclair group, working out for you guys?

I trust state paid media in the EU, way more than any US news media.

The reason why most EU countries have state paid media, is so that its non commercial, non partisan, and cant be bought. There are different principles in place, so government has no say, in what is broadcast/not broadcast. This also means that all political parties get the same amount of exposure etc.

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Post by return0 » Sun, Apr 08, 2018, 8:58 PM UTC

beojan wrote: post #142

rossdavidh wrote: post #135

In fact, I think the author is underestimating the impact, right here: "Of course, making this change will have a dramatic impact on your revenue for single-visit traffic, because you basically have to design your ad model to work completely differently from how it works today." No, it will basically make a newsmedia site unprofitable. I think it is the EU that has not fully thought this through. Most of the news ind…

> No, it will basically make a newsmedia site unprofitable. I think it is the EU that has not fully thought this through. Most of the news industry is already sickly, financially, and they mostly have no model other than advertising (with a very few exceptions). We have publicly funded broadcasters in most EU countries. The ad-supported news sites, on the other hand, are generally doing more harm than good. News outl…

> We have publicly funded broadcasters in most EU countries.

That would be a terrible dependency for eastern europe, you wouldn't want putin-friendly government media teaching people what to vote next.

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Post by tormeh » Sun, Apr 08, 2018, 9:01 PM UTC

krotton wrote: post #169

beojan wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No, it will basically make a newsmedia site unprofitable. I think it is the EU that has not fully thought this through. Most of the news industry is already sickly, financially, and they mostly have no model other than advertising (with a very few exceptions). We have publicly funded broadcasters in most EU countries. The ad-supported news sites, on the other hand, are generally doing more harm than good. News outl…

Publically funded TV is prone to become a propaganda tube of the government. In some cases it already has (in Poland for example). Relying on it as the only news source would be silly (relying on a single news source in general is usually silly, but even more if the government directly handles the staffing).

You should never rely exclusively on domestic media. There's always too much conflict of interest. In state media this is obvious, but it's there for private media as well.

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Post by nopriorarrests » Sun, Apr 08, 2018, 9:02 PM UTC

maxxxxx wrote: post #93

always_good wrote: post #60

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>There are ways to make money online without ads begging you to click on them, and they involve real-world goods and services that your website can help connect people for? Not every website is in a position to sell something directly. That's how ads work in the first place. I run a collaborative writing forum that is predominantly used by teens. I make so little money off it that I'm running it as a charity because…

The question is whether your ads really need to be targeted to individual persons (requiring a huge surveillance infrastructure) or if you can just sell ads to some sponsors and everybody sees the same ads. I prefer the second option. Nothing wrong with ads per se.

It's just not feasible for the sites like parent commenter described to look for sponsors, sign contracts, etc. We are talking about, say, $200-600 per month in advertising. You can spend more time searching for next sponsor then you will make from ads.

They can monetize by working with 3rd party, like SSP, who will sell the inventory programmatically. But to monetize effectively, that 3rd party will do tracking, that's true.