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In fighting homeless camp, Irvine's Asians win, but at a cost

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Re: In fighting homeless camp, Irvine's Asians win, but at a cost

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Homelessness isn't a regional problem. It's a national problem. There needs to be an area designated for them at a a national level. Pushing people from place to place regionally is a terrible solution. An area needs to be designated for them nationally like Native American reservations when they were first created. The national solution needs to have programs to assist with addiction, mental health, and job training…

Probably would turn into concentration camp though.

Re: In fighting homeless camp, Irvine's Asians win, but at a cost

#52

Homelessness isn't a regional problem. It's a national problem. There needs to be an area designated for them at a a national level. Pushing people from place to place regionally is a terrible solution. An area needs to be designated for them nationally like Native American reservations when they were first created. The national solution needs to have programs to assist with addiction, mental health, and job training…

Sounds awfully like a gulag. I have to assume you're trolling.

Re: In fighting homeless camp, Irvine's Asians win, but at a cost

#54

What cost. Sounds like they just plain won.

Yeah, I had the same thought. It didn’t cost them anything.

Also shout out to the people whose first involvement with politics was to say “fuck you stay out of my community”. I’m sure they’ll be sticking around to help with constructive alternate solutions to the problem.

Re: In fighting homeless camp, Irvine's Asians win, but at a cost

#55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So as someone said: if city X has a problem, they fix the problem by evicting the people, the people move to my city (city Y). Why should we (city Y) have to deal with it? Just evict them like city X did. What's good for the goose is good for the gander..

Eventually, they will end up in San Francisco who will welcome them.

Fine, that's not my problem them. I'm safe in my city Y.

Re: In fighting homeless camp, Irvine's Asians win, but at a cost

#56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ...not Irving’s government... Surely city governments are responsible for acute mental health issues. Not all homeless have need for serious mental health care, but the number is high and those needs should be taken care of before (or at the latest, while) talking about jobs. EDIT: At least, local governments should be educating the public about how much help they need from state and national government.

That would assume that the homeless were caused by / came from Irving. That’s unlikely, as there are no borders in the US and people are free to move about. See this article on how US cities pay homeless people to leave town, and they end up somewhere else, as someone else’s problem: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2017/dec/... Problem is nobody wants them, yet no one will enact policies that will…

> That would assume that the homeless were caused by / came from Irving.

Something can be your responsibility even if it's not your fault. Particular people with particular problems is a local issue. Particular tent cities hurting particular parks or businesses is also a local issue. Go ask a local social worker or police officer. They know everyone on a first name basis. They just don't have anywhere to go with their information.

> Problem is nobody wants them, yet no one will enact policies that will solve the problem.

So instead of shifting responsibility in one way or another, local governments and communities need to organize more around these issues. It's true that it's a huge problem, arguably one that will never get solved completely, but the local governments need to start by getting the word out about the particular needs they have: studies, funding, legal frameworks, training, coordination systems, etc.

This is the kind of targeted Medicaid expansion that should be discussed, especially since mental health is in the news so much these days.

Re: In fighting homeless camp, Irvine's Asians win, but at a cost

#57

I'm Asian/Canadian (arrived in Canada in 1988 at 8) and have worked in the US since 2009. I consider myself a 0.5 generation immigrant. Talking my parents, other first generation immigrants, and even some second generation etc. They do have a common view. If we came here with very little (my parents arrived with $200 in their pockets), worked hard, and eventually became successful then why can't other people do the s…

Drug addiction, mental illness, little education / scaffolding, no family support, etc. Their view that if they did it why can’t others is the same as the libertarian / rich people perspective of “I got mine, you should be able to get yours.” Except not all people are the same, not all people have the same abilities, support, drive, etc. One should have compassion for those unable to help themselves. There will alway…

If you talk to the group, their answer to drug addiction is its their fault for starting drugs. For family support, they had none when the came here and had very little opportunity too. My mom's first job was an sewing machine operator in a garment shop in Halifax. My wife's mom had barely finished grade 8 school.

Note that this is my oberservation of their views only.

Re: In fighting homeless camp, Irvine's Asians win, but at a cost

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I'm Asian/Canadian (arrived in Canada in 1988 at 8) and have worked in the US since 2009. I consider myself a 0.5 generation immigrant. Talking my parents, other first generation immigrants, and even some second generation etc. They do have a common view. If we came here with very little (my parents arrived with $200 in their pockets), worked hard, and eventually became successful then why can't other people do the s…

Probably your parents had enoumous will power, most people don't migrate to another country. Immigrants are not representative of the general population. Often they are stronger in many ways :) Similarly, you can ask why didn't everybody from their native country emigrate. Just my random guess...

My dad would they they weren't persecuted like he was. His biggest mistake was talking too long to a foreign academic who was giving a lecture at the university where he was.

Re: In fighting homeless camp, Irvine's Asians win, but at a cost

#59

I'm Asian/Canadian (arrived in Canada in 1988 at 8) and have worked in the US since 2009. I consider myself a 0.5 generation immigrant. Talking my parents, other first generation immigrants, and even some second generation etc. They do have a common view. If we came here with very little (my parents arrived with $200 in their pockets), worked hard, and eventually became successful then why can't other people do the s…

> If we came here with very little (my parents arrived with $200 in their pockets), worked hard, and eventually became successful then why can't other people do the same.

such logic error is called "survival bias" - they only look at those who didn't fail by the system.

Re: In fighting homeless camp, Irvine's Asians win, but at a cost

#60

This really is a regional problem. I live around the area, near the beautiful Santa Ana trail which connects two counties to the ocean. A few months ago, I rode down the 40-mile stretch for the first time in a long time, and I was absolutely shocked to see the extent of the tent city near the Anaheim Angels stadium. The people living there were living on hard times, it felt post-apocalyptic in some sense. The tent ar…

As a local, would you accept a regional sales tax increase of 1% if it paid for real housing and counseling services for the residents of the camp?

Yes if the housing and services are equally distributed in all the neighborhoods. Each region/city should host an proportional number of homeless.
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