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‘Big Brother’ in India Requires Fingerprint Scans for Food, Phones and Finances

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Re: ‘Big Brother’ in India Requires Fingerprint Scans for Food, Phones and Finances

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Post by jitix »

Most people commenting here don't get the situation in India. We elected a radical leader with a dictatorial behavior and this is why:

1. The old govt was descended from a long line of political dynasty known for inaction and corruption.

2. Election fraud! Mine and my family members names were already voted for by members of the incumbent party when we reached the voting booth in 2014. And the election officer sipping tea at that party's booth said he couldn't do anything. As my mom explained, this wasn't the first time this happened to her. My father as an election officer was sent off to a remote place so he couldn't do anything. It was shocking to me!

3. There's real infrastructure development. The roads don't have potholes anymore, they are noticeably cleaner and I was almost ticketed for throwing trash on the road last time I visited.

4. We know the risk of what's happening but this is the best choice we've got. The other political leaders are/were directly involved in scams.

5. The govt is pro-middle class tax paying people. We work hard and pay taxes and we deserve our own guy in charge for a change. The previous govts' direct welfare schemes have failed for 70+ years. We should try trickle down economy for a while. Our maids, drivers, etc have noticeably grown richer with general wage rise in cities. If the super rich also profit from it then its good for them too.

Re: ‘Big Brother’ in India Requires Fingerprint Scans for Food, Phones and Finances

#132

Post by thewhitetulip »

saagarjha wrote: post #62
Alterlife wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm from India too. While I don't support the Aadhaar program in it's present form, just so that we understand the arguments from the other side: India has a lot of problems but most of them stem from two causes: 1. Corruption 2. Inequality In positions of power, corruption is universal. I have yet to meet a person in Bangalore who has been able to purchase property without paying a bribe. Too many of our government…

I'm not sure I quite understand how this is going to fight corruption. How are you going to track money that's being moved illegally? Presumably, nobody is going to be doing this under their Aadhaar card; it's all going to be in cash. Plus, how would you even access Aadhaar card information to audit this? Are you going to call up the government and ask for them to check Modi's card to make sure he hasn't been stealin…

It is nothing short of stiffling voice of dissent. This is what China did a few years back when they started considering social media account's "rating" in yiur "citizen rating"

They don't need to put people in bars these days, they need to make life hell for the dissenters so they either leave the nation or be quiet.

The big brother in 1984 did exactly this but thr govts these days are going a step ahead.

You won't believe how many brainwashed "bhakts" tell me how great Modiji is, but they can't justify their claim. It is because of these things that the givt gets away.

Plus the SC has refused to acknowledge govt's stance that adhar reduces corruption. A new judge transfer is coming soon, now that the verdict is going to be against the dictator!

Re: ‘Big Brother’ in India Requires Fingerprint Scans for Food, Phones and Finances

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Post by thewhitetulip »

captn3m0 wrote: post #59
Alterlife wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm from India too. While I don't support the Aadhaar program in it's present form, just so that we understand the arguments from the other side: India has a lot of problems but most of them stem from two causes: 1. Corruption 2. Inequality In positions of power, corruption is universal. I have yet to meet a person in Bangalore who has been able to purchase property without paying a bribe. Too many of our government…

The right way to fix corruption is to make the state transparent - RTI was a right step in this direction. Opening up the citizen to the state feels like progress, but isn't really.

The "party with a difference" and the self procliamed "transparent" party has reduced funding for RTI by 1/4th and almost all RTIs are rejected due to flimsy reasons.

Re: ‘Big Brother’ in India Requires Fingerprint Scans for Food, Phones and Finances

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Post by fgpwd »

captn3m0 wrote: post #47
shripadk wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Requiring a government ID to enter a middle school art contest. Possibly a security measure? Schools are increasingly becoming targets for anti social elements of late. I wouldn't be surprised if the public, on its own volition, pressurizes the government to have stringent security checks in schools. > Requiring a government ID to buy a prepaid SIM card. You can't authenticate without Aadhaar OTP. And don't expect…

I have a recycled SIM which I legally own, which is linked to the prior owner's Aadhaar. It will remain linked even if I link my SIM with my Aadhaar. (The Aadhaar->SIM mapping which the government uses is maintained by UIDAI and is not given out, the SIM->Aadhaar mapping which is mandated by DoT is maintained by KYC-regulations of my telecom provider at the telco level)

Exactly. This has happened to a friend. They were able to find my friend's name from Truecaller. Soon they started getting fake calls to get her account number or aadhar number. If my friend's aadhar data had been leaked (as has for thousands other), they were done for. Once your aadhar number gets leaked it gets leaked forever. There is no provision for the government to issue a new one and which is a fundamental flaw in the system.

Re: ‘Big Brother’ in India Requires Fingerprint Scans for Food, Phones and Finances

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Post by thewhitetulip »

sumedh wrote: post #96
Alterlife wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm from India too. While I don't support the Aadhaar program in it's present form, just so that we understand the arguments from the other side: India has a lot of problems but most of them stem from two causes: 1. Corruption 2. Inequality In positions of power, corruption is universal. I have yet to meet a person in Bangalore who has been able to purchase property without paying a bribe. Too many of our government…

> 1. Corruption 2. Inequality How about actually catching bringing back people who have fled the country like Nirav Modi and Mallya or how about making sure a celebrity like Salman Khan goes to jail.

Lol when the media did their job for once after 2014, reporting on norav Modi

The govt intelligently stifled free speech by making good on the death of a film star. Tada! Nobody reports on Nirav Modi anymore

Also, the judge who found Salamn as guilty was transferred a day after he pronounced the statement and the other judge, presumably close to BJP gave Salman bail. 80other judgea are transferred

But does the media report on it? No

Re: ‘Big Brother’ in India Requires Fingerprint Scans for Food, Phones and Finances

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Post by thewhitetulip »

middleclick wrote: post #77
ashwinm wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mention of demonetisation explains your 'disturbance'. Aadhar predates this government and it had 80% enrollment before their entry to power. So no need to make it political.

Did you just make an ad hominem? Allow me to remind you that the current PM who is pushing so hard for Aadhar was against it when opposition because he was worried about the "security".

The current PM wants to use Adhar to turn India into 1984 Ocenia. No wonder he is shoving adhar down everyone's throats

Imagine your ISP is connected to adhar As is your gmail/HN

Within a sec they'll identifywho is beind my username and then they'll make my life hell, like electricity cut in my apartment, my society suddenly gets a large bill etc

They will be lose incidences, for there are far more bhakts at any place than dissenters, bhakts will rejoice that ither societies are getting power cuts, 'they don't understand", the bhakts say

Re: ‘Big Brother’ in India Requires Fingerprint Scans for Food, Phones and Finances

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Post by thewhitetulip »

ashwinm wrote: post #73
firasd wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, I explained the similarities. Aadhaar is a core part of the 'India Stack', which is closely connected to the 'cashless' propaganda during the demonetization disaster. Aadhaar was already flawed as a concept when it was introduced but over the last year there have been sudden mandates to link it to everything. Which makes it far more dangerous. We need to scale it back.

Demonentisation has nothing to do with cashless. it was an afterthought. So no connection to Aadhar. So you are no different in making propaganda. Aadhar is here to stay no matter how much fearmongerers whine. It's benefits outweighs risk. A good data protection law is what lacking.

Of course Adhar is good

But the shoving it diwn everyone's throats is a clear form of transforming this democracy into autocracy

Adhar is connected to your phone and internet and accounts. So if I make an anti PM statement, suddenly my bank account is frozen, electricity connection is gone (connected to adhar), my frying pan is connected to adhar so if I cook Poha, PM's sycophants can turn it into upma.

No tech is bad by its own right, the implementation is good or bad

And as far as 2014 implementation goes, adhar is bad

Re: ‘Big Brother’ in India Requires Fingerprint Scans for Food, Phones and Finances

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Post by ashwinm »

rishav_sharan wrote: post #123
ashwinm wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mention of demonetisation explains your 'disturbance'. Aadhar predates this government and it had 80% enrollment before their entry to power. So no need to make it political.

Innever heard of anyone having Aadhar before this govt came to power so i dont think this assertion holds

Seriously? If you dont have enough knowledge to add value dont jump in.

Educate yourself.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aadhaar

Re: ‘Big Brother’ in India Requires Fingerprint Scans for Food, Phones and Finances

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Post by ashwinm »

middleclick wrote: post #77
ashwinm wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mention of demonetisation explains your 'disturbance'. Aadhar predates this government and it had 80% enrollment before their entry to power. So no need to make it political.

Did you just make an ad hominem? Allow me to remind you that the current PM who is pushing so hard for Aadhar was against it when opposition because he was worried about the "security".

Why do everyone has to make it political?. Let them play the game. Others should focus on its actual merits and demerits.

Re: ‘Big Brother’ in India Requires Fingerprint Scans for Food, Phones and Finances

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Post by ashwinm »

thewhitetulip wrote: post #136
middleclick wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you just make an ad hominem? Allow me to remind you that the current PM who is pushing so hard for Aadhar was against it when opposition because he was worried about the "security".

The current PM wants to use Adhar to turn India into 1984 Ocenia. No wonder he is shoving adhar down everyone's throats Imagine your ISP is connected to adhar As is your gmail/HN Within a sec they'll identifywho is beind my username and then they'll make my life hell, like electricity cut in my apartment, my society suddenly gets a large bill etc They will be lose incidences, for there are far more bhakts at any plac…

You should read more about what UIDAI is. Don't be another whatsapp forward fear-mongering uncle.
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