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Re: Another Tesla on autopilot steers towards a barrier

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Post by jacquesm »

oldgradstudent wrote: post #269
gormz wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

touche. seems like they're more interested in concrete barriers than other cars at the moment.

Wait for the next software update. And remember not to have an emergency requiring you to stop on the side of the road: [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fc0yYJ8-Dyo [2] https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/23/16923800/tesla-firetruck-...

That one is ugly. If AP can't even steer around huge trucks parked on the road then that's a very serious problem.

Interesting how everybody claims it is 'the drivers fault' when in fact at that moment the driver is the autopilot software. It - and not the person sitting in the left hand front seat of the car - is driving the car.

Re: Another Tesla on autopilot steers towards a barrier

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Post by iainmerrick »

PaulHoule wrote: post #129
iainmerrick wrote: post #91

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Yikes! I really hope that's a joke...

I see people attempting that on the roads around here without the Tesla. That is why I always honk at cell phone drivers. Sometimes I wish I had a fully-charged Marx bank in the trunk.

It should be illegal. It is in many countries.

Re: Another Tesla on autopilot steers towards a barrier

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Post by jacquesm »

deegles wrote: post #288
jacquesm wrote: post #34

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And endanger others who have decided to opt-out of the beta test. Keep in mind that in any accident all bets are off with respect to the traffic around you, even if you ram into a stationary barrier you could easily rebound into other traffic.

Also, if something goes wrong it's your fault anyways because you're supposed to keep 100% of your attention on the road.

That's the best kind of small print. The kind that disclaims all liability no matter what. I really don't get why we accept this stuff. It's akin to driving without a license. After all, as long as a Tesla 'autopilot' can't take a driving test it has no business controlling cars.

Re: Another Tesla on autopilot steers towards a barrier

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Post by mannykannot »

lisper wrote: post #330
mannykannot wrote: post #319

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Ah, yes... you have convinced me - though humans can apply generalized intelligence to the problem, which I imagine is particularly useful in lots of special cases.

General intelligence is not needed. Illiterate people can drive. People who can't do math can drive.

Illiteracy is not incompatible with intelligence.

Re: Another Tesla on autopilot steers towards a barrier

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Post by Analemma_ »

cmpolis wrote: post #119

I can't understand the blindness of the Tesla/Elon fanboys in that thread; the comments on that thread are so defensive of Tesla and still show little concern for safety. Despite fairly damning video evidence, a fatality, many reports of accidents and near accidents...

People have a lot invested in Tesla-- sometimes emotionally, sometimes literally. It is difficult to be objective in that case.

Re: Another Tesla on autopilot steers towards a barrier

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Post by iainmerrick »

tqkxzugoaupvwqr wrote: post #224
iainmerrick wrote: post #88

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Beacons is a great idea -- have some standardized beacon system, and a public map of autopilot-approved roads. Following the beacons safely would be a vastly easier problem than trying to completely replace a human driver in all situations, but it would still give you about 90% of the benefits.

Lines fade away because there is little money for maintenance but beacons that cost multiples are the solution? The first thing I thought when I read beacons: Hackers are going to have a field day with them. Add malicious beacons to streets and cars will drive off road at high speeds.

Well, look at cat’s eyes (sometimes called Botts’ dots in the US, I think?)

I assume they’re more expensive to install than just painting a few lines, but they’re very robust and long-lasting, and they’re fantastic for human drivers. It’s not a stretch to imagine something similarly useful for computerized cars, that links to a standard road database.

Hacking is a risk, sure. I envisage you’d lock it down by having a cryptographically signed master map; if the observed beacons diverge from the map, the autopilot system would refuse to proceed. (OK, I guess that allows a DoS attack at least.)

Re: Another Tesla on autopilot steers towards a barrier

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Post by agumonkey »

_jomo wrote: post #314
agumonkey wrote: post #304

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In other words an old ambiguous parsing problem. It might be fixable in software. I'm a bit annoyed at Tesla for over reliance over painted lines. They fade, they can be covered, be outdated .. That old fail video of a SDV stuck inside a circle is not funny anymore.

> SDV stuck inside a circle Off topic: I never understood why this video was discussed that much, especially in order to blame SDVs. It's an example of pointless road markings and a perfectly behaving vehicle. It's like driving into a one way street that turns out to have no exit. The driver can't be blamed.

I know, and partly agree. Still when you have something that hints at leaping into the future, a simplistic automata behaviour like this brings all to the ground.

We'd expect at least 'cycle' detection ;)

Re: Another Tesla on autopilot steers towards a barrier

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Post by craftyguy »

l8again wrote: post #340

An honest question. Are any of these autonomous driving systems open source or peer reviewed in any way? If not, isn't it really weird that we are talking about regulations even though the underlying technology is not even peer reviewed? How do we know (mathematical proofs, etc.) that a self-driving car manufacturer has done a good enough job if all of that is proprietary?

No, no, yes, we don't.
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