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Re: Facebook Scans What You Send Other People on Messenger App

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Post by pmlnr » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 5:20 PM UTC

fwdpropaganda wrote: post #19

Hold on. Wasn't Facebook Messenger supposed to be encrypted E2E? EDIT: Ok, from the responses I get I was confused. Maybe Allo? Skype? I'm sure someone else other than Signal and WhatsApp were using Signal's protocol. Just ignore this post.

No. What made you think it was?

Re: Facebook Scans What You Send Other People on Messenger App

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Post by pmlnr » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 5:21 PM UTC

sp332 wrote: post #17

pmlnr wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And also closed source, so no real way of auditing this promise.

You can audit the binary. It's not a magic black box.

The server part as well?

Re: Facebook Scans What You Send Other People on Messenger App

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Post by TYPE_FASTER » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 5:23 PM UTC

When our daughter was born, and I sent an announcement via GMail, I started seeing ads for diapers.

After that, I assume anything I'm doing on the internet is being data mined for advertising or some other source of revenue.

Re: Facebook Scans What You Send Other People on Messenger App

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Post by ktta » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 5:26 PM UTC

Obligatory: Use Secret Conversations[1] if you have to use Facebook's Messenger.

[1]: https://www.facebook.com/help/messenger-app/1084673321594605...

Re: Facebook Scans What You Send Other People on Messenger App

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Post by sp332 » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 5:27 PM UTC

pmlnr wrote: post #22

sp332 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can audit the binary. It's not a magic black box.

The server part as well?

If you can be sure that the part running on your phone encrypts the message, then it doesn't matter as much what's running on the server. Anyway being open source wouldn't improve the auditability of the server.

Re: Facebook Scans What You Send Other People on Messenger App

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Post by Spivak » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 5:28 PM UTC

fwdpropaganda wrote: post #19

Hold on. Wasn't Facebook Messenger supposed to be encrypted E2E? EDIT: Ok, from the responses I get I was confused. Maybe Allo? Skype? I'm sure someone else other than Signal and WhatsApp were using Signal's protocol. Just ignore this post.

You're probably thinking of WhatsApp?

Re: Facebook Scans What You Send Other People on Messenger App

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Post by Spivak » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 5:31 PM UTC

pmlnr wrote: post #18

p49k wrote: post #2

This actually sounds reasonable; most other messaging programs do the same in order to provide previews, thumbnail images, scan for malicious links or spam, etc.

This is not the provider's jurisdiction to do; let local security suits deal with it.

This just in: Gmail scans every user's incoming emails in a controversial project they're calling a 'spam filter'.

Re: Facebook Scans What You Send Other People on Messenger App

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Post by alex- » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 5:34 PM UTC

TYPE_FASTER wrote: post #23

When our daughter was born, and I sent an announcement via GMail, I started seeing ads for diapers. After that, I assume anything I'm doing on the internet is being data mined for advertising or some other source of revenue.

I think most people, at some level, know this and accept it. I think the shock comes when you think how long this information is kept for, and what that means. i.e. each year they can advertise age appropriate birthday presents, a few years from now they might get adverts for children party suppliers. As they grow up college saving funds, colleges, trips to Disney land, first cars can all be targeted to you at just the right time.

Re: Facebook Scans What You Send Other People on Messenger App

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Post by colanderman » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 5:35 PM UTC

So does Google with GTalk. In fact links sent via GTalk are modified to redirect through Google's servers.

Re: Facebook Scans What You Send Other People on Messenger App

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Post by CGamesPlay » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 5:36 PM UTC

pmlnr wrote: post #16

nbvt45 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

WhatsApp is E2E encrypted

And also closed source, so no real way of auditing this promise.

Do you trust that the source code for the Signal iOS app on Github is the source code of the application you're running on your phone? All you really have to go on is the word of each company.