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Re: Google maps shows location of San Bruno shooting

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Post by pavs » Tue, Apr 03, 2018, 10:33 PM UTC

m52go wrote: post #13

Folks, the number of shooting crimes (including school shootings) in the United States is going down. I know times like this are the worst times to mention this fact, but it's true [0]. The media frenzy makes this look like some kind of out-of-control epidemic, but that's just not the case. This does not mean we should do nothing about them...any shooting is an event that should not happen. But it's important to real…

The link is not only factually wrong but also from a biased source.

Mass shootings in the US: there have been 1,624 in 1,870 days

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2017/oct/...

Re: Google maps shows location of San Bruno shooting

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Post by matte_black » Tue, Apr 03, 2018, 10:33 PM UTC

dabeeeenster wrote: post #21

m52go wrote: post #13

Folks, the number of shooting crimes (including school shootings) in the United States is going down. I know times like this are the worst times to mention this fact, but it's true [0]. The media frenzy makes this look like some kind of out-of-control epidemic, but that's just not the case. This does not mean we should do nothing about them...any shooting is an event that should not happen. But it's important to real…

"The media frenzy makes this look like some kind of out-of-control epidemic, but that's just not the case." That's exactly the case. Just because numbers are going down doesn't make it any less of an epidemic. "people are approaching the topic emotionally rather than rationally and proposing extreme reactions" Suggesting people don't own assault rifles is not an "extreme reaction".

First off, the term assault rifle probably isn’t what you think you’re referring to.

Second, the reason effective conversations can’t be had on gun control is because of how emotional and out of touch the anti-gun crowd gets. A lot of this is due to activists and the media riling people up.

Gun owners are all about safety and personal responsibility, and many do support sensible gun control laws. The problem is, as soon as someone stands up and says “Oh hey here’s an idea why don’t we just ban all guns lol!!” then you know the conversation is over, and after that point it’s just a downward spiral.

Nothing can be done unless people start taking a rational, sober approach to these issues. Not with tear-fueled rage.

The people you are arguing with didn’t shoot and kill your family, in fact quite the opposite, if they had the chance they would probably jump at the opportunity of saving them with a firearm. You could argue whether or not they’d be effective, but it’s the thought that counts.

Re: Google maps shows location of San Bruno shooting

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Post by euyyn » Tue, Apr 03, 2018, 10:38 PM UTC

m52go wrote: post #13

Folks, the number of shooting crimes (including school shootings) in the United States is going down. I know times like this are the worst times to mention this fact, but it's true [0]. The media frenzy makes this look like some kind of out-of-control epidemic, but that's just not the case. This does not mean we should do nothing about them...any shooting is an event that should not happen. But it's important to real…

Are you Progress Man? :) https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/excelsior

Re: Google maps shows location of San Bruno shooting

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Post by tomlock » Tue, Apr 03, 2018, 10:38 PM UTC

m52go wrote: post #13

Folks, the number of shooting crimes (including school shootings) in the United States is going down. I know times like this are the worst times to mention this fact, but it's true [0]. The media frenzy makes this look like some kind of out-of-control epidemic, but that's just not the case. This does not mean we should do nothing about them...any shooting is an event that should not happen. But it's important to real…

America is 12th in the world in per-capita gun deaths by country. Should we be satisfied with 12th?

Re: Google maps shows location of San Bruno shooting

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Post by m52go » Tue, Apr 03, 2018, 10:39 PM UTC

johnny313 wrote: post #28

m52go wrote: post #13

Folks, the number of shooting crimes (including school shootings) in the United States is going down. I know times like this are the worst times to mention this fact, but it's true [0]. The media frenzy makes this look like some kind of out-of-control epidemic, but that's just not the case. This does not mean we should do nothing about them...any shooting is an event that should not happen. But it's important to real…

> Folks, the number of shooting crimes (including school shootings) in the United States is going down. This is not supported by other analyses that look at the issue. FiveThirtyEight looked at several measures of school shootings / mass shootings and came to the opposite conclusion. [0] [0] https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/no-matter-how-you-measu...

Then we need to figure out which numbers are correct. That shouldn't be rocket science. But either way, hysteria still isn't the way forward...it never is.

I won't attempt to debate any of the points made in your article, as I'm not authority on the subject myself, but thanks for linking it.

However, you might find this article written by a former member of the FiveThirtyEight team interesting:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/i-used-to-think-gun-...

Re: Google maps shows location of San Bruno shooting

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Post by dabeeeenster » Tue, Apr 03, 2018, 10:39 PM UTC

matte_black wrote: post #32

dabeeeenster wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The media frenzy makes this look like some kind of out-of-control epidemic, but that's just not the case." That's exactly the case. Just because numbers are going down doesn't make it any less of an epidemic. "people are approaching the topic emotionally rather than rationally and proposing extreme reactions" Suggesting people don't own assault rifles is not an "extreme reaction".

First off, the term assault rifle probably isn’t what you think you’re referring to. Second, the reason effective conversations can’t be had on gun control is because of how emotional and out of touch the anti-gun crowd gets. A lot of this is due to activists and the media riling people up. Gun owners are all about safety and personal responsibility, and many do support sensible gun control laws. The problem is, as s…

"Gun owners are all about safety and personal responsibility"

Not all gun owners.

Re: Google maps shows location of San Bruno shooting

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Post by jjoonathan » Tue, Apr 03, 2018, 10:39 PM UTC

matte_black wrote: post #32

dabeeeenster wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The media frenzy makes this look like some kind of out-of-control epidemic, but that's just not the case." That's exactly the case. Just because numbers are going down doesn't make it any less of an epidemic. "people are approaching the topic emotionally rather than rationally and proposing extreme reactions" Suggesting people don't own assault rifles is not an "extreme reaction".

First off, the term assault rifle probably isn’t what you think you’re referring to. Second, the reason effective conversations can’t be had on gun control is because of how emotional and out of touch the anti-gun crowd gets. A lot of this is due to activists and the media riling people up. Gun owners are all about safety and personal responsibility, and many do support sensible gun control laws. The problem is, as s…

Since HN only shows vote totals, I want you to know that you aren't alone.

Re: Google maps shows location of San Bruno shooting

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Post by euyyn » Tue, Apr 03, 2018, 10:39 PM UTC

matte_black wrote: post #32

dabeeeenster wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The media frenzy makes this look like some kind of out-of-control epidemic, but that's just not the case." That's exactly the case. Just because numbers are going down doesn't make it any less of an epidemic. "people are approaching the topic emotionally rather than rationally and proposing extreme reactions" Suggesting people don't own assault rifles is not an "extreme reaction".

First off, the term assault rifle probably isn’t what you think you’re referring to. Second, the reason effective conversations can’t be had on gun control is because of how emotional and out of touch the anti-gun crowd gets. A lot of this is due to activists and the media riling people up. Gun owners are all about safety and personal responsibility, and many do support sensible gun control laws. The problem is, as s…

Whatever in the world are you talking about? Forget about the strawmen in your head and read what people are actually saying here.

Re: Google maps shows location of San Bruno shooting

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Post by jjoonathan » Tue, Apr 03, 2018, 10:40 PM UTC

just_testing wrote: post #15

m52go wrote: post #13

Folks, the number of shooting crimes (including school shootings) in the United States is going down. I know times like this are the worst times to mention this fact, but it's true [0]. The media frenzy makes this look like some kind of out-of-control epidemic, but that's just not the case. This does not mean we should do nothing about them...any shooting is an event that should not happen. But it's important to real…

This is one of those statistics where there are only two distinct values that matter: - Zero shootings - Too many shootings Any number bigger than zero is too much and we should do our best as a society to decrease it to zero.

"He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither and will lose both."

- Benjamin Franklin

Re: Google maps shows location of San Bruno shooting

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Post by matte_black » Tue, Apr 03, 2018, 10:41 PM UTC

jjoonathan wrote: post #37

matte_black wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First off, the term assault rifle probably isn’t what you think you’re referring to. Second, the reason effective conversations can’t be had on gun control is because of how emotional and out of touch the anti-gun crowd gets. A lot of this is due to activists and the media riling people up. Gun owners are all about safety and personal responsibility, and many do support sensible gun control laws. The problem is, as s…

Since HN only shows vote totals, I want you to know that you aren't alone.

Thank you, it will be some comfort after this post has long been downvoted and dead.