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Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by fnordsensei »

khedoros1 wrote: post #821
selectodude wrote: post #775

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How is package management via apt any different than using homebrew? They're both equally "bolted on".

Apt is the update mechanism for the system. OS updates, application updates, etc. It's a core piece of software on a Debian-related system. Brew behaves more like an alternate software repository...it's not like you're using it to fetch your kernel updates in macOS.

Why does the method of updating the core OS matter? Unless you're a system admin, and have to do it a lot. If not, that's hopefully something you don't spend a significant amount of time on each day.

Most of my concerns with regards to the OS I use has to do with the stuff I do 10s or 100s of times a day.

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by sleavey »

mehrdadn wrote: post #445
electricslpnsld wrote: post #439

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> I also don't get what's missing from a modern Linux desktop Adobe software, for one.

I have also yet to find an IDE as nice as Visual Studio...

Microsoft released Visual Studio for Linux [1] a little while ago. I find it to be excellent; it gives comparable functionality to Atom but with a lot of the stuff you get with plugins already built in.

[1] https://code.visualstudio.com/

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by api »

Bud wrote: post #286
api wrote: post #236

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My concern is that they are going to completely lock down and cripple MacOS and turn it into iOS, making it worthless as a professional machine. The CPU doesn't matter but the versatility and user-centric-ness of the OS does. If they're talking about making MacOS more like iOS I think it might be time to start looking for the exit. A laptop/desktop is not just a portable dumb terminal for accessing siloed cloud servi…

I see no reason to suspect that changing CPUs would be related in any way to "crippling" macOS. Those are two separate issues.

They are separate issues, but history has shown that changes in architecture (or form factor) is often used as a pretext to also make other changes.

Mobile transformed the computer into a portable surveillance and addictive media device aimed at the user rather than a personal computing device built for the user. Those are two separate issues of course -- there is nothing in mobile that mandates that it be designed to commoditize its users -- but the shift to mobile was used to also smuggle in a total inversion of the user/machine relationship.

Apple is kind of a strange company. On one hand they have stuck up for the privacy and security of their users, but on the other hand they were a factor in this inversion of relationship. They weren't the only or even the primary factor, but the locked down nature of their iOS platform helped other actors such as Facebook and Google implement surveillance-capitalist and gamified attention-capitalist user experiences there.

Whether or not I stick with Apple depends on whether or not they keep my computer mine even as they swap out the CPU. I could care less about the architecture as long as it performs well, but I do care about the nature of my relationship with the technology that I use. I care about this for both personal and professional/pragmatic reasons.

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by herbst »

nunez wrote: post #807
npunt wrote: post #455

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2/3s of all PR activity on Github is on a Mac, for what it's worth. Certainly the platform punches above its weight relative to market share. https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2017/102/?time=2...

I don't trust that for two reasons: 1) There is a lot of cargo-culting around the MacBook because hurr durr Windows is terribad (though, to be fair, Docker does work better natively with OS X than Windows, even under WSL), and 2) Most companies give their developers the choice of a MacBook or the shittiest Windows machines known to man (because of irresistable volume deals from Windows OEMs). I bet the spread would b…

We had the choice between MBPs and surface books (the good ones) and still only management opted for windows.

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by zeveb »

ssutch3 wrote: post #245
bhouston wrote: post #223

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Adobe has a lot of stuff that works well on iOS. ARM has neon instructions for SIMD. I think they will be okay. Changing over from one SIMD architecture to another is not that hard. AutoCAD isn't ultra optimized for Mac anyhow, it will be okay. This transition may screw up or significantly slow down VMs of Intel-based OSes like Ubuntu.

A lot of progress has been made recently in ARM virtualization (see its push into datacenter units). An ARM VM should run reasonably quick, and Ubuntu works fine on ARM.

> An ARM VM should run reasonably quick, and Ubuntu works fine on ARM.

Sure, but if we're deploying to x86 servers running Linux, then running Ubuntu on virtual ARM doesn't seem terribly wise[0] — it won't tickle the right bugs.

[0] For my money, running Ubuntu in general is a poor idea. It's not a great server OS, so it shouldn't be on the server — and if it's not on the server, it shouldn't be on the development systems either. Just run Debian everywhere.

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by herbst »

Milner08 wrote: post #839
matt_wulfeck wrote: post #799

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I wish I could agree. Half of the time I spent on my last linux laptop was spent frustratingly trying to get things to work. The screen font was too small for some stuff, too big for others. It didn't wake up from sleep properly. sometimes it didn't GO to sleep properly. It was death by a thousand cuts.

This has been my experience too. I love Linux, but its just too buggy (And I had all these issues on a ThinkPad that was marked as 'Linux Ready'). It really does give me a nice environment for development but the lost hours and days to fixing problems made it a total time sink. MacOS on the other hand has all the tools I need and works incredibly well. I also cannot stand Windows, its a total mess and drives me mad.…

Thing is. I could honestly say the exact same but change Linux to Mac and otherwise around.

I had so many issues with Mac and all my Linux devices just work flawlessly for years without issues.

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Post by herbst »

tfcata wrote: post #811
selectodude wrote: post #775

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How is package management via apt any different than using homebrew? They're both equally "bolted on".

try 'brew install gnome-desktop' maybe?

Wait this works? Gnome shell? The full gnome experience?

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by petecox »

lambda_lover wrote: post #45

> "A decision to go with ARM technology in computers might lend it credibility where it has failed to gain a foothold so far." > "Apple is working on a new software platform, internally dubbed Marzipan, for release as early as this year that would allow users to run iPhone and iPad apps on Macs" Two things here: 1) I'm OK with breaking the Intel near-monopoly on x86. I'm not OK with moving to a walled garden where Ap…

2) macOS tablet.

Android apps on Chrome OS tablets are a thing now.

With macOS on ARM, the iPad Pro and MacBook lines merge, as the hardware internals converge.

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by herbst »

fnord123 wrote: post #862
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Alt-tab behavior is more of a preference thing. >It's basically shitty linux with outlook. Linux is shitty Linux. Except on the server. (IMO, of course).

I can accept that alt-tab is a preference if you want to use alt-tab and alt-`. It's heresy to prefer alt-`, but whatever -the vim-spaces-only(but automated code formatters are best and I dont care what they use)-alt-tabbers will eventually win out. But on multiple desktops if you alt-tab to the previous application again, it only brings up the application windows in the current screen instead of bringing you to the…

Compared to a optimized Arch, or even a non overloaded windows 10 mac never appeared to me very energy friendly.
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