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Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by jcoffland »

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I have long said that Mac os X is only useful as a way to start Emacs, but since 10.10 I am not even sure about that. Of course it is a matter of taste. I get that. I still have to bite my tongue to not yell profanities whenever I hear anything about productivity and Mac OS. Most of the time I keep my mouth shut. Now I just wanted to tell you that you are not alone. I have to use Mac OS at work. To avoid frustration…

I guess it depends on what work you do. As for writing software macOS is nice since it is quite close to Linux and does contain a lot of the UNIX-thinking. Windows is, IMHO, a user experience mess. Mac is more gentle and aimed to be simple and useful for everyday people. Windows feels like it was designed by a lot of different groups that in the end glued their pieces together in order to ship it.

> As for writing software macOS is nice since it is quite close to Linux and does contain a lot of the UNIX-thinking.

You know what's even closer to Linux?

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by hvidgaard »

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I don't trust that for two reasons: 1) There is a lot of cargo-culting around the MacBook because hurr durr Windows is terribad (though, to be fair, Docker does work better natively with OS X than Windows, even under WSL), and 2) Most companies give their developers the choice of a MacBook or the shittiest Windows machines known to man (because of irresistable volume deals from Windows OEMs). I bet the spread would b…

Satisfaction rate among surface owners is abysmal. At this point, I'd call the surface brand a failed experiment.

The first year was a really bad. Plain and simple. Now it is a decent device, but I'd take a Lenovo today if I had to make the choice. However, for note taking, the Surface Pro is second to none. The form factor, pen, and OneNote is a really good combo.

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by iaml »

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> Nice thing on windows is I can open the command line type >bash and I've got vim, ssh, sftp, bash whatever immediately. Yes, macOS has a terminal emulator as well. > I never found out how to be productive in OSX vs what I can do in Windows. Open Spotlight, type in "Terminal" and hit return.

Unsure how that magically makes OS X productive. Stuff is just easier and faster on windows or linux. And I’m tired of OS X randomly crashing or freezing. It’s like windows 98 now.

>Stuff is just [...] faster on windows

Windows is the slowest of OSes, see http://www.bitsnbites.eu/benchmarking-os-primitives/

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by hvidgaard »

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Developers really should be using Windows Server for Windows development, particularly if the software is going to be running on Windows Server in production. That solves at least some of the issues you mentioned.

Good point. But the license cost would be too much. I don't think there's an upgrade path to server from consumer. You have any helpful tips?

If you are a Silver Partner or better you don't have to pay to use Windows Server for internal purposes, including development and testing. It's not expensive to get that.

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by madshiva »

I hope all fan boys that trust more a company instead of doing a real analyse, test of the product, start to learn to stop focusing only on one brand. They only use fancy argument. "It's more easy", "it's more convenent". "I like how the wallpaper is rendering."

Come on Apple failed with there proprietar hardware, we was not able to change anything and you want back the same things? Because it's more easy mean that you are a noob, that don't know how to use your computer, then stay on Mac.

It's better for you, and for us.

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by madshiva »

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He is referring of course to the PowerPC architecture. It did not have a performance lead over Intel for as long as you suggest. Even when it had a lead, it wasn't that big. (I bought the best G5 when it came out, so it's a painful memory) The problem with switching to a different architecture is that if it falls behind Intel, people will say "not as fast as a PC." If you stay with Intel and it falls behind, people s…

Pretty sure "last time" refers to the transition from Power PC to Intel.

and "hacker news apple fans boy" should know that before telling bs.

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by fnord123 »

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> What does Linux give you that macOS doesn’t? perf, case sensitive file systems, non stupid alt-tab behaviour, strace, pstack, gdb (these don't seem to work without sacrificing animals), gnome-shell (better than finder by a long way, imo). I've got a mac. I don't install programs except for things through brew. It's basically shitty linux with outlook.

perf, strace, and pstack can be replaced with dtrace on MacOS. You can have a case-sensitive position. (Separate from root so it doesn't break some apps)

Do you need to add dtrace to the key chain each time it's updated or do they just not update it like most of their command line software?

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by qubex »

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Odd I find hotkeys much better on Mac. They follow a more logical predictable pattern and are much more standarized. E.g. what is the standard windows hotkey for getting info/properties of an object. Never found one. Also if an app doesn’t have configuration of hotkeys you are screwed. On Mac hotkey config is OS wide. The command console experience on windows is horrible. Office apps are better on Mac. Pages, numbers…

The Mac environment takes some getting used to, it took me years to learn all the little details, like if you select a bunch of folders and double-click, it will open all of them. To close them all, option-click the close button. I do find Finder to be inferior to explorer in almost every way. That tree pane on the left is too useful.

Option-Click to close is a novelty to me and a very handy one at that... the number of times I’ve accidentally shot myself in the foot by selecting and accidentally opening maybe hundreds of folders is not something I’ve kept count of, but it’s definitely happened multiple times. I’ve been using OS X (now macOS) intensively since 2002 and I’ve come to think of myself as a “Power User”, but I’ve never known of the option-close trick. Thanks.

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by iaml »

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What apple software do you need to use? Sure, it's annoying not having the GNU command-line utilities. But `brew install coreutils` basically fixes that for me. I admit I don't work heavily with compiled languages on macOS so I can't comment on technical aspects of that. iTerm2 is not inferior to linux terminal emulators. The Apple laptops are quite obviously the best hardware experience out there. I mean obviously i…

I mean the laptops are great. Provided you don't need a HDMI port. Or more than 1 spare USB port. Or am ethernet port. You could get the touch-bar version, but I've read literally nothing but bad reviews and stories about that thing, plus tb versions have smaller batteries. Yes, I could get a dock, but here's a better idea: how about apple chills out on their unnecessary-thinness fetish, and givese back some actual f…

Here's a counterpoint: I have mbp tb and I like it. Only problem I had was esc, but after a while you get used to it. I also like how light and thin it is, I can go to work now with my backpack pretty much empty.

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by JoachimS »

SCAQTony wrote: post #652

I am curious as to how Apple can just jump into a new complex business and be instantly pro at it without buying out a chip manufacturer who is. Will there be a learning curve? Will Apple machines circa 2020 have a bumpy road or not as fact?

There is a difference between designing a chip (from system model downto mask set) and manufacturint (fabbing). Apple is a fabless company, just like many others. They use TSMC, Samsung Semi, SMIC and other fabs that provides state of the art fab processes.

When it comes to the design part, Apple has gobbled up enormous amounts of talent and resources the last 10 years. PA Semi was one of the bigger ones:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P.A._Semi

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