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Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by welly »

davidy123 wrote: post #437
mark_l_watson wrote: post #229

This might just be a bargaining move on Apple’s part, but I don’t think so. I think that long term they are much better off controlling their entire hardware stack. I wouldn’t be surprised to even see them make their own display screens. As an Apple customer, I like this idea also. For 20 years, I used to be a desktop Linux fanatic and later became a fan of Android. In the last few years, I have switched to using all…

You can't easily share media between the Apple ecosystem and others. You can't access some Apple services at all from Linux. There's no way to run userscripts/WebExtensions on IOS. Your device is no longer a user-focused tool to access media, your browser is closer to being a "smart tv" than a customize-able information explorer and augmenter essentially controlled by no one. You're giving up an awful lot for the sak…

> I also don't get what's missing from a modern Linux desktop

A user interface that isn't ugly and laggy.

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by Bud »

mlloyd wrote: post #407
abritinthebay wrote: post #378

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given software !== chips and their ARM chips are - hands down - the best on the market... yeah, I'd think people would trust them.

Given the amount of evidence you presented, how could anyone refute your opinion? OP raised a valid argument - Apple's QC has been crap lately and trending downwards. There's a lot of feedback out on the net to support that line of thinking.

There's been Apple-bashing "feedback out on the net" since Apple was founded.

Most of it has been laughable. The stuff you're talking about is firmly within that laughable camp.

If Apple's QC were "crap" you'd see that in customer satisfaction ratings for their #1 product: the iPhone. But guess what? You don't see that. And there is no downward trend.

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by bad_user »

htormey wrote: post #182
lambda_lover wrote: post #45

> "A decision to go with ARM technology in computers might lend it credibility where it has failed to gain a foothold so far." > "Apple is working on a new software platform, internally dubbed Marzipan, for release as early as this year that would allow users to run iPhone and iPad apps on Macs" Two things here: 1) I'm OK with breaking the Intel near-monopoly on x86. I'm not OK with moving to a walled garden where Ap…

“2) iOS apps on OS X. Why? Does anybody want this? The way I see it, web apps are perfectly adequate for the desktop environment when it comes to stuff like checking my bank account or browsing Hacker News. I don't want to deal with a desktop app to do any of the stuff I can currently do via a browser. Is there actually a use case?” Right now many new desktop apps are just badly ported web apps wrapped in electron. T…

If you can build an iOS app, you can build a macOS app too.

Electron apps are not built by iOS developers, but by developers like myself who would rather hit 3 birds with one stone ;-)

And no, nothing would change, except the MacBook will get to be even more shitty. We'll remember fondly the MacBook Pro of year 2015 as the last model that didn't suck.

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by Tijdreiziger »

sreque wrote: post #433
mark_l_watson wrote: post #229

This might just be a bargaining move on Apple’s part, but I don’t think so. I think that long term they are much better off controlling their entire hardware stack. I wouldn’t be surprised to even see them make their own display screens. As an Apple customer, I like this idea also. For 20 years, I used to be a desktop Linux fanatic and later became a fan of Android. In the last few years, I have switched to using all…

I am a software developer, and I detest working on my mac laptop. At $lastjob I had a Linux desktop and it is, I believe, the most productive environment I have ever developed in. The job before, I had a windows desktop, and I prefer that to mac. You say you want to just "get things done expediently," but in my experience apple software is flat out inferior and OSX is the worst of the 3 major operating systems I have…

> Not much, at least, not much that benefits me as a customer.

Why would it matter to you, as a customer, what chip is inside your computer? As long as it can run your programs, why do you care?

See also: Microsoft and Windows on ARM

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by finchisko »

I think Tim Cook is laughing out loud in his office now, how they just tricked Intel to lower their CPU prices. However I wonder how this insider info went out public, having direct impact on Intel shares.

Sorry but transiting from Intel doesn't make sense to me. It would burn huge pile of money for very low benefit.

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by Tijdreiziger »

derefr wrote: post #473
sneak wrote: post #447

Earlier quoted context omitted.

- decent video calling - imessage (signal is getting warmer, but the integration is still lacking) - adobe creative suite - video editing - audio production apps - photo management and post processing (darktable is still garbage) - sleep/wake and connecting/disconnecting external displays - not-ugly fonts

It’s kind of funny to compare Linux vs. macOS if your experience of macOS primarily comes from using a Hackintosh. (No sleep/wake support for me! Unplugging my HDMI cable causes a hard-reboot! Etc.) Which is to say: Linux is pretty good on Macs, whereas macOS is pretty broken (after weeks of intense debugging with other Hackintosh folks) on hardware that would run Linux just fine.

That's to be expected, of course. Linux maintainers care about the fact that it can run on just about anything. macOS maintainers only care about whether it runs on Macs.

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by ionforce »

sreque wrote: post #433
mark_l_watson wrote: post #229

This might just be a bargaining move on Apple’s part, but I don’t think so. I think that long term they are much better off controlling their entire hardware stack. I wouldn’t be surprised to even see them make their own display screens. As an Apple customer, I like this idea also. For 20 years, I used to be a desktop Linux fanatic and later became a fan of Android. In the last few years, I have switched to using all…

I am a software developer, and I detest working on my mac laptop. At $lastjob I had a Linux desktop and it is, I believe, the most productive environment I have ever developed in. The job before, I had a windows desktop, and I prefer that to mac. You say you want to just "get things done expediently," but in my experience apple software is flat out inferior and OSX is the worst of the 3 major operating systems I have…

What parts of your workflow do you think are uniquely enhanced by not being on Mac?

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by Tijdreiziger »

lhorie wrote: post #420
mark_l_watson wrote: post #229

This might just be a bargaining move on Apple’s part, but I don’t think so. I think that long term they are much better off controlling their entire hardware stack. I wouldn’t be surprised to even see them make their own display screens. As an Apple customer, I like this idea also. For 20 years, I used to be a desktop Linux fanatic and later became a fan of Android. In the last few years, I have switched to using all…

How's this different than going back to PowerPC architecture? When they switched to Intel, I recall there being a lot of talk of benefits to running on the same chips as everyone else. From what I've been hearing lately about Apple, the impression I keep getting is that Apple doesn't think of Mac as a product with a specific target market, but more as a sort of just-a-really-really-big-ipad. The closed garden approac…

It doesn't need to be a closed garden. Look at what Microsoft is doing with x86 emulation on ARM.

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by RI_Swamp_Yankee »

magice wrote: post #354

I sometimes wonder why Apple would do this. I mean: i) the end-users frankly don't care. Seriously. ii) 90% (if not 99.99%) of dev would not (be able to) care I mean, I doubt if more than perhaps 5% of Apple internal dev can take advantage of "tight integrat[ion] of new hardware and software." This integration probably takes form of either some specific app (think Pixel camera phone), some specific library, or compil…

I don't think they'd attempt it unless they had something that would disrupt the market. Intel has been rusting on its laurels without credible competition, and if Apple manages to steal a march on them with a new technology, that would be the impetus to bring it in-house.

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by timc3 »

jernfrost wrote: post #231
jcadam wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple has been trying to chase power users and professionals off of their platform for years. A switch to ARM is an opportunity to rid themselves of the few remaining holdouts and focus 100% on high-end consumer electronics.

I would say that is more about the boxes they use than CPU. The difficulty of adding your own hard drives, memory, graphics cards etc to a Mac is the biggest problem I think. What pro task, really requires high single thread performance? I imagine Apple could match intel by simply using more cores on their ARM CPUs.

Audio from what I know is best with have multiple high speed cores, rather than many lower speed cores. (I use my machines for audio)
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