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Re: OVH CEO: Unlike Amazon, Google, “we will never be in competition with you”

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Post by comboy » Sun, Apr 01, 2018, 12:40 PM UTC

truetraveller wrote: post #98

comboy wrote: post #66

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I have a few dedicated boxes for almost 10 years now. I highly recommend it. I use it to run bitcoinity.org since it was created in 2011. Because of relatively big database (2TB) and many concurrent websocket connections (peaking around 20K) cost would be prohibitive elsewhere. Great uptime, instant responses, eKVM and blah blah I'm not their marketing team, I'm just a really happy customer. I've tried OVH I think on…

How many servers do you have with Hetzner to manage 20,000 websocket connections? Also, did you ever have data loss in your large database because of hard drive failure?

Two are doing just fine with the current stack (elixir), I actually have more problem with gigabit connections getting saturated at some points, but that's just my failure to optimize data that's being sent. Before that I was using nginx module (nginx-push-stream-module) which is also great and way ahead of any other out-of-the-box solution that I know.

Every server has RAID1 by default, plus I keep postrgresql slave on another box and I try to keep up to date backup. I actually never experienced a drive failure there (I currantly have ~10 boxes), but on my dev server at home which runs the same service I got I guess 5 HDDs failures already. Just two of them were server-grade though.

Re: OVH CEO: Unlike Amazon, Google, “we will never be in competition with you”

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Post by comboy » Sun, Apr 01, 2018, 2:03 PM UTC

swsieber wrote: post #159

truetraveller wrote: post #98

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How many servers do you have with Hetzner to manage 20,000 websocket connections? Also, did you ever have data loss in your large database because of hard drive failure?

Theoretically, they could get away with just one: http://phoenixframework.org/blog/the-road-to-2-million-webso... That said, it depends on the stack, the level of optimizations and how much each websocket requires... I'd love to know too though (both the # of servers and the other details)

Yup, I switched to phoenix lately. Works as advertised. I didn't even mess much with any kernel options. I still have most of my stack on ruby (on rails), but I bridge more and more things with elixir app (and phoenix), mostly using redis queues. As mentioned just 2 boxes are doing ws pushing currently, they also serve the app, one additional server also serving app but mostly static files, DB server, DB-slave and the app logic (which in my case is mostly fetching data and calculating some stats).

Unfortunately, even though there are some fallbacks and it seems to be pretty reliable, these servers are pets rather than cattle.

Re: OVH CEO: Unlike Amazon, Google, “we will never be in competition with you”

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Post by dmoy » Sun, Apr 01, 2018, 4:58 PM UTC

voxadam wrote: post #129

valenciarose wrote: post #44

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> wasted 15 minutes I used to work in a securities firm owned by a bank holding company in a role requiring being registered as a securities principal (legally responsible to supervise). It still took me several minutes to remember which regulations to look up. Amazon doesn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell of working around these regulations with the current administration. Trump hates Bezos. With a moderate Republ…

Didn't Walmart try to buy itself some sort of bank back in 2006 or so? I have a vague recollection of the venture and it not going Walmart's way.

Yup 2005: https://mobile.nytimes.com/2007/03/17/business/17bank.htm

Re: OVH CEO: Unlike Amazon, Google, “we will never be in competition with you”

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Post by bauruine » Mon, Apr 02, 2018, 2:23 AM UTC

cthalupa wrote: post #102

tedivm wrote: post #27

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AWS bandwidth costs are obscene. They compete on price so well on most other fronts, but for some reason they just completely overcharge on bandwidth. It makes using them without a CDN cost prohibitive and drives a lot of use cases away from them.

>for some reason they just completely overcharge on bandwidth People say this about AWS/GCP/Azure. They are so willing to compete on cost on everything else that it seems odd like this would be true, so I have a different theory: OVH/etc are all able to massively oversell bandwidth. Most customers do not use it. This is fine, and not anything I think they're doing wrong! But the "Big 3" are all about automatically sc…

Hetzner is charging € 1.00 per TB after you used all the included bandwidth and they are making a profit with that. [0]

[0] https://wiki.hetzner.de/index.php/Traffic/en#Option_1

Re: OVH CEO: Unlike Amazon, Google, “we will never be in competition with you”

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Post by scarface74 » Mon, Apr 02, 2018, 1:23 PM UTC

I was just listening to a Software Engineering Radio podcast from 2015 where they were interviewing the guy who moved Netflix to AWS. He said that by being on the best cloud provider (AWS), Netflix was neutralizing the advantage that Amazon Prime Video had by being on the best cloud provider.

On the other hand, Dropbox had to leave AWS because they would never be able to be a storage solution at a lower price and pay AWS fees...

Re: OVH CEO: Unlike Amazon, Google, “we will never be in competition with you”

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Post by merinowool » Mon, Apr 02, 2018, 7:11 PM UTC

paxys wrote: post #170

merinowool wrote: post #131

With Kubernetes now being mature and fairly easy to install, you can have essentially your own AWS for peanuts using OVH. I absolutely see no reason why paying such a premium to use "conventional" cloud providers when you can have your own portable infrastructure nowadays.

Kubernetes only does service orchestration, which is a very small part of what AWS offers overall. You still have to manage servers/NAS/networking hardware, ISP contracts, CDN, edge caches, geo-distribution and more.

I think there is a niche where it is too expensive to use AWS and it is impossible to do with traditional hosting. You can do well with Flannel, Rook and edge servers as nginx reverse proxies with caching. You need to write scripts once (or use ready made recipes) and management isn't too hard - definitely doable for one man project if you set your expectations right.

Re: OVH CEO: Unlike Amazon, Google, “we will never be in competition with you”

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Post by baud147258 » Tue, Apr 03, 2018, 12:06 PM UTC

acdha wrote: post #171

tedivm wrote: post #86

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Alright, I'll go through the list. * Cloudfront would be great for the North America and Europe they only charged for the bandwidth (those prices are reasonable), but charging for the HTTP request (and the huge premium on HTTPS). The bandwidth prices outside of those areas are absolutely awful though. * Akamai makes Cloudfront look cheap. * Cloudflare has ethical concerns that keep me away from them. * Fastly is susc…

> * Akamai makes Cloudfront look cheap. Their list pricing does but they’ve matched or beat AWS in the past. This is by far my least favorite part of the enterprise sales model but if you can haggle it pays off.

I'm pretty sure Steam gets a good price with Akamai. At least I hope it's the case, since all their download goes though there.

Re: OVH CEO: Unlike Amazon, Google, “we will never be in competition with you”

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Post by Elof » Fri, Apr 06, 2018, 9:13 PM UTC

manigandham wrote: post #186

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StackPath came out of nowhere. As far as I could tell at the time, they didn't have any public products. And all of a sudden they bought MaxCDN. I could never tell if it was actually an acquisition or more of a merger or something else?

Stackpath is from the founder of Softlayer. Raised private equity money and acquired several companies including MaxCDN to start a new service. The subbrands still exist but are slowly migrating and will refer you to the stackpath products. https://techcrunch.com/2016/07/25/security-as-a-service-star...

Hi there. I'm DevRel at StackPath. We have an will continue to support the businesses that we have acquired, but the long term plan is to roll everything into a single platform under the StackPath umbrella. Our customers won't see much if any difference in service other then better performance and more features/products when we migrate them.