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Re: How fast is AMP really?

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Post by RobertRoberts »

yxhuvud wrote: post #88
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not just America uses dot as the decimal separator, see: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:DecimalSeparator.svg Blue uses the dot, green uses the comma. By population dot wins (since India and China use the American style).

What that map show is that space wins because otherwise someone is bound to be confused.

No, it's not possible to be confused if you are reading English. It's a comma for thousands and period for decimal. That is how it's done in English.

If someone wrote it in German or French and used the wrong decimal separator, then it's an error.

Re: How fast is AMP really?

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Post by majewsky »

hartator wrote: post #43
larkeith wrote: post #34

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Parent is clearly a European (or denizen of another local that uses commas as decimal markers), as they interpreted 4,604ms as slightly over 4ms. Also, they advise using an ISO ( International Standards Organization) standard, specifically to avoid misinterpretation while remaining locale-independent.

I think the confusion is more about secondes vs ms. Like 4.604s parses easier in my brain.

No it isn't. Your parent comment was correct.

Re: How fast is AMP really?

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Post by user5994461 »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #138
user5994461 wrote: post #122

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The map is largely inaccurate. Things got very divergent in the last decades with the rise of computers. There are hard limitations in hardware and software that people have to live with. A keypad only has a dot key.

Are you saying China and India don’t use dot as the decimal point?

I'm saying that the alleged comma users are actually mixing both dots and commas.

Western keyboards descended from an American layout that's missing the comma. It's common for comma users to use a dot instead, because they don't have a choice. Also, a lot of software will refuse the input even if they go out of their way to write a comma.

China and India have numerous languages with their own numeric representation. It's not really relevant. Don't think for a minute that there are any standard for the entire population.

Re: How fast is AMP really?

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Post by ForHackernews »

endorphone wrote: post #135
ForHackernews wrote: post #110

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> many don't often for tragedy of the commons reasons. Google are some of the major culprits driving the creation of an unpleasant web experience loaded with tracking and advertising cruft, and now they're pushing this alternative format to supposedly fix the damage they wrought. That's why people are salty about AMP. It's an imperfect analogy, but imagine if some company had torn up the roads near your house by driv…

Google has pushed speed in virtually everything they've done since day one. Asynchronous, deferred scripts. Always outrageously fast loads. Simple, lightweight ads. They even built a browser to try to push speed. I despise ads, but blaming Google for the situation that we're in is seriously missing the mark. Google wants the web to succeed, for their own selfish reasons. They don't want it to become a wasteland of zo…

Google monetized links. They were the ones who showed you could make serious money from tracking and marketing to people on the internet.

Your argument is "Google is more technically competent at doing all these crappy things than Google's imitators", but Google was the trailblazer who proved there was big money in ads and scripts that do more than blink a banner.

Re: How fast is AMP really?

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Post by manigandham »

seanwilson wrote: post #78
manigandham wrote: post #75

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Benchmarking is just logging the time taken during the process of waiting for the content to load, which is already happening to index the page. No special framework necessary. They aren't doing it because AMP gives far more data and keeps first party cookies because of the cached domain.

> Benchmarking is just logging the time taken during the process of waiting for the content to load I don't think it's as simple as you make out at all. Compared to just downloading the HTML and checking its contents, this requires executing JavaScript and rendering content in an actual browser which is orders of magnitude slower and more resource intensive.

That's exactly what happens already because javascript can also change content, including all the React/SPA sites now. They've been doing it for years: https://webmasters.googleblog.com/2014/05/understanding-web-...

Re: How fast is AMP really?

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Post by endorphone »

ForHackernews wrote: post #144
endorphone wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google has pushed speed in virtually everything they've done since day one. Asynchronous, deferred scripts. Always outrageously fast loads. Simple, lightweight ads. They even built a browser to try to push speed. I despise ads, but blaming Google for the situation that we're in is seriously missing the mark. Google wants the web to succeed, for their own selfish reasons. They don't want it to become a wasteland of zo…

Google monetized links. They were the ones who showed you could make serious money from tracking and marketing to people on the internet. Your argument is "Google is more technically competent at doing all these crappy things than Google's imitators", but Google was the trailblazer who proved there was big money in ads and scripts that do more than blink a banner.

No, that isn't my argument, and given that you're busy taking swipes at absurd strawmen I think this conversation is done.

Re: How fast is AMP really?

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Post by lgats »

gorhill wrote: post #137
Ajedi32 wrote: post #134

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I'd assume that's probably done to prevent FOUC while it's waiting for the JS to load. What do you get if you override that style?

If using uBlock Origin, you can try the example page with that cosmetic filter: ampbyexample.com##body:style(animation: none !important;) One thing for sure, the result is much more pleasant than having to wait 8 seconds if one does not want to un-block 3rd-party javascript from `ampproject.org`.

I suppose webmasters could add the inline css

   body{animation:none !important;}
On mobile so I haven't had the chance to test

Re: How fast is AMP really?

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Post by ep103 »

tscs37 wrote: post #92

The first point in the article is the dead killer of AMP for me. My mobile provider gives me very little monthly data, I've stopped using AMP because preloading the AMP results is eating through my cap, with images disabled. Without preloading, AMP is slower than the non-AMP version of the same webpage with a simple script blocker. And usually causing more traffic too. I hope Google refrains from bullying website own…

how do you disable it?

Re: How fast is AMP really?

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Post by tscs37 »

ep103 wrote: post #148
tscs37 wrote: post #92

The first point in the article is the dead killer of AMP for me. My mobile provider gives me very little monthly data, I've stopped using AMP because preloading the AMP results is eating through my cap, with images disabled. Without preloading, AMP is slower than the non-AMP version of the same webpage with a simple script blocker. And usually causing more traffic too. I hope Google refrains from bullying website own…

how do you disable it?

I tap "Request Desktop Page" when I use google search and I mostly rely on search engines that don't pull the AMP crap at all.

Re: How fast is AMP really?

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Post by throwaway_80bf3 »

Shorel wrote: post #10

Answer: not as fast as the D lang forums. https://forum.dlang.org/

lobste.rs is usually pretty fast but they have a silly and annoying April fools thing going on right now. I once did a dive into their CSS to see how they were doing collapsible tree style comments without any JS whatsoever.

https://lobste.rs

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