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Re: How fast is AMP really?

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Post by throwaway2048 »

yorby wrote: post #28
niutech wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The non-JS version takes 1/3 loading time of the JS version: http://www.webpagetest.org/result/180402_0J_6a3f29516e9a8bcf... vs http://www.webpagetest.org/result/180402_Z3_1bd3e53e1be2668c...

Thanks. And I have a feeling that it would be much worst (aka better) for a mail.google.com inbox page, even if you keep the useful Javascript. But their javascript is so obfuscated that it is not too easy to test. One time I extracted a simple feature for gmail's javascript... it was fun (probably would be easier for a programmer though)

gmail has a basic html mode that is lightning fast.

Re: How fast is AMP really?

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

user5994461 wrote: post #20
RobertRoberts wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This seems to be a European issue perhaps? I've never once been confused by a comma in a number. In fact, it makes them easier to read, not harder. Can you describe your experience with numbers? Are you a mathematician or in some other scientific field? Also, it seems odd to make a request like this of a (seemingly) random author on the internet. It feels similar to making a demand to change writing style. (ie, oxfor…

You must be American then because that's the American format. Different countries and languages have different format of numbers. That's one of the most common issue in internationalization. If you send a bill for a 5,000 dollars service, expect your international customers to send you back five dollars. The comma is broadly interpreted as the decimal separator.

Not just America uses dot as the decimal separator, see:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:DecimalSeparator.svg

Blue uses the dot, green uses the comma. By population dot wins (since India and China use the American style).

Re: How fast is AMP really?

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Post by geuis »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #11

A very low quality article. The whole point of AMP is to define a restricted subset of HTML that is safe to prerender and still provide working analytics to the publisher. When you prerender, the advantage of AMP is substantial as it is impossible to beat a user experience of instant, which is why users prefer it and why publishers go through the trouble of implementing two web versions of their web pages (in additio…

AMP is a cancer on search results. The purpose of a search engine is to provide the best links it can to content related to a user’s search. The search engine should not be providing the content of the search result as a primary link. Having a backup cache of the link is fine in case it changes or disappears. It’s the responsibility of the original site to be able to serve its visitors.

Re: How fast is AMP really?

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Post by larkeith »

lostgame wrote: post #30
majewsky wrote: post #2

A suggestion for the author: Please avoid commas (or dots) as thousands separators. My brain parses "4,604ms" as "about four milliseconds", which would be amazing, but is very much not what you mean. ISO recommends half-width spaces as thousands separators to avoid this kind of confusion. Also, I think thousands separators can just be skipped if your numbers are only four or five digits wide.

>> Please avoid commas (or dots) as thousands separators. You might as well say 'please ignore the standards of your country in favour of mine.' Are you really not aware that this is the standard in Europe?

Parent is clearly a European (or denizen of another local that uses commas as decimal markers), as they interpreted 4,604ms as slightly over 4ms. Also, they advise using an ISO (International Standards Organization) standard, specifically to avoid misinterpretation while remaining locale-independent.

Re: How fast is AMP really?

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Post by dingo_bat »

user5994461 wrote: post #20
RobertRoberts wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This seems to be a European issue perhaps? I've never once been confused by a comma in a number. In fact, it makes them easier to read, not harder. Can you describe your experience with numbers? Are you a mathematician or in some other scientific field? Also, it seems odd to make a request like this of a (seemingly) random author on the internet. It feels similar to making a demand to change writing style. (ie, oxfor…

You must be American then because that's the American format. Different countries and languages have different format of numbers. That's one of the most common issue in internationalization. If you send a bill for a 5,000 dollars service, expect your international customers to send you back five dollars. The comma is broadly interpreted as the decimal separator.

I think it's less to do with country and more to do with language. All English speaking countries use the comma as separator, and the decimal point as the decimal separator. So, if you're reading an article that is written in English, from context you know that decimal points will be used as decimal separator and comma will be used as digit grouping. No confusion.

However, confusion happens when non-native English speakers start using their native language's digit grouping and decimal symbols when writing in English. They should use the English scheme when writing in English.

Re: How fast is AMP really?

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Post by larkeith »

mcny wrote: post #3
majewsky wrote: post #2

A suggestion for the author: Please avoid commas (or dots) as thousands separators. My brain parses "4,604ms" as "about four milliseconds", which would be amazing, but is very much not what you mean. ISO recommends half-width spaces as thousands separators to avoid this kind of confusion. Also, I think thousands separators can just be skipped if your numbers are only four or five digits wide.

I can only imagine. I already hate it when I see something like 1.375€. I can't imagine how infuriating it must be for you. However, I don't know how to half width space. Thoughts?

Generally, nobody will be confused if you use a full-width space.

Re: How fast is AMP really?

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Post by vemv »

Worth noting that it would be insane to preload content that didn't pass a strict filter akin to that of AMP.

Each Google search would download dozens of MBs and produce a significant CPU workload, both resources being precious on mobile.

Perhaps it was a communication issue: AMP should have been named/marketed "preloadable pages" rather than "fast pages".

Re: How fast is AMP really?

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Post by adventured »

user5994461 wrote: post #20
RobertRoberts wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This seems to be a European issue perhaps? I've never once been confused by a comma in a number. In fact, it makes them easier to read, not harder. Can you describe your experience with numbers? Are you a mathematician or in some other scientific field? Also, it seems odd to make a request like this of a (seemingly) random author on the internet. It feels similar to making a demand to change writing style. (ie, oxfor…

You must be American then because that's the American format. Different countries and languages have different format of numbers. That's one of the most common issue in internationalization. If you send a bill for a 5,000 dollars service, expect your international customers to send you back five dollars. The comma is broadly interpreted as the decimal separator.

Five of the seven largest economies - including the three largest - use the decimal separator. Those countries have three billion people in them.

So which international customers are you talking about?

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