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Re: Facebook Secretly Saved Videos Users Deleted

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Storage being cheap is irrelevant..when a user requests the data to be deleted. You delete it. Outside of government compliance there is no reason to not comply with that request

That's not true. What if you want to support un-delete? That's a reason.

To my knowledge there is and has never been any option to “undelete” your deleted content on Facebook.

Re: Facebook Secretly Saved Videos Users Deleted

#192

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Storage being cheap is irrelevant..when a user requests the data to be deleted. You delete it. Outside of government compliance there is no reason to not comply with that request

Yes there are, but there are no moral reasons to not comply with it.

Why, to help people connect better of course...

Re: Facebook Secretly Saved Videos Users Deleted

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Allow me to ask the obvious question. Who doesn't do the something like this? Not to alleviate facebook of blame, but who's to say data on almost every other social media service isn't also just flagged for deletion?

Snapchat claims to. And after the trouble they once got into for not deleting media after it was viewed, I believe them. https://www.snap.com/en-GB/privacy/privacy-policy/

Why would you believe them after they have lied to you once already?

Re: Facebook Secretly Saved Videos Users Deleted

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One fascinating outcome of all this fallout is that there's now a readymade excuse to stop using Facebook. My personal observations are that a good number of people have felt 'fatigued' by Facebook for a very long time, but were also unsure of how best to extricate themselves without incurring a social penalty. But now there's an impetus that most people can understand. I'm not sure about how many people will move aw…

Definitely. I’ve been off Facebook for years but always felt judged for it. In the past few weeks it’s gone from being judged to being applauded for calling it.

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Snapchat claims to. And after the trouble they once got into for not deleting media after it was viewed, I believe them. https://www.snap.com/en-GB/privacy/privacy-policy/

Why would you believe them after they have lied to you once already?

Right, I wonder how much people trust American companies. Imagine a Chinese firm doing the same and how many will trust them again..

Re: Facebook Secretly Saved Videos Users Deleted

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post #193

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Snapchat claims to. And after the trouble they once got into for not deleting media after it was viewed, I believe them. https://www.snap.com/en-GB/privacy/privacy-policy/

Why would you believe them after they have lied to you once already?

This is why:

https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/press-releases/2014/12/ftc-a...

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/12/snapchats-privac...

Re: Facebook Secretly Saved Videos Users Deleted

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> I am sure that the deletion of media files in services like Facebook has never meant to be absolute. Many of my colleagues believe the same thing that I believe: Facebook and other services do not actually delete data, they just mark it as "deleted" and purge it only if they need the space. No reason to believe. You can read about the storage architecture used to store photos from a post in 2009 here: https://code.…

So, like a filesystem more or less I might just "help" them by uploading more data I guess

A browser addin to help with this helping might help make the world a better place.

Re: Facebook Secretly Saved Videos Users Deleted

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> Facebook and other services do not actually delete data, they just mark it as "deleted" and purge it only if they need the space. You may be correct, but that doesn't explain why Facebook decided to include so-called deleted files in a download of user data. Clearly these deleted files are still a part of Facebook user profiles and accessible to company data mining software. Facebook has exposed their own duplicity…

Maybe the Facebook development processes and tracking of tech debt is just shit. First person: "I'll just flag the content and then it won't show on their timeline!" Second person: "I'll just select all the records that belongs to this account when packaging a backup. All the deleted content should be gone!" But I wouldn't discount your hypothesis.

Maybe they should get someone from the internal department that monitors Facebook employees to come over and show them how to run a tight ship:

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/mar/16/silicon-v...

Re: Facebook Secretly Saved Videos Users Deleted

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Clearly there is a big disconnect here. It seems somebody is suggesting there should be a correlation between a user removing content from their account and Facebook destroying some of Facebook property. Anything submitted to Facebook is the property of Facebook. Users have no business telling Facebook to destroy Facebook property.

> Anything submitted to Facebook is the property of Facebook. I'm not sure how you came to this conclusion. Are we to accept that this is how it works simply because Facebook says this is how it works?

You accept that when you join.
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