Tesla crash victim had complained about auto-pilot in same location

Post by lazyjones » Sat, Mar 31, 2018, 7:06 AM UTC

pacificmint wrote: post #247

DrScump wrote: post #222

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But does "autopilot on" mean that "autopilot has exclusive control and driver inputs are ignored"?

No, of course driver inputs will not be ignored. They will override the autopilot. But none were given. From the blog: >In the moments before the collision, which occurred at 9:27 a.m. on Friday, March 23rd, Autopilot was engaged with the adaptive cruise control follow-distance set to minimum. The driver had received several visual and one audible hands-on warning earlier in the drive and the driver’s hands were not…

Post by nikanj » Sat, Mar 31, 2018, 7:10 AM UTC

dengnan wrote: post #260

antirez wrote: post #61

"Our data shows that Tesla owners have driven this same stretch of highway with Autopilot engaged roughly 85,000 times since Autopilot was first rolled out in 2015. ... There are over 200 successful Autopilot trips per day on this exact stretch of road." Who wrote this statement does not understand software. If there is some kind of Heisenbug, those numbers are too small to prove that the software is ok, and actually…

Let's play with statistics: Scenario 1: 100 human drivers drive some distance. 2 bad drivers caused 150 accidents and both died in their last fatal accidents. Scenario 2: 100 self-driving/autopilot-enabled cars drive the same road for the same distance. Everyone has one accident and one of them is fatal. Statistical numbers: Self-driving/autopilot-enabled cars cut both the accident rate and death rate by half. Death…

Post by dorgo » Sat, Mar 31, 2018, 7:57 AM UTC

neffy wrote: post #154

baddox wrote: post #143

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Why do you think that humans are not just even more accurate versions of the same types of classifiers?

because we invented cars. And a few other things.

Post by jackvalentine » Sat, Mar 31, 2018, 8:00 AM UTC

CobrastanJorji wrote: post #113

jijojv wrote: post #74

SW/HW Bugs happen - fact of life. More concerning is that Tesla denying this was ever reported to them... I had my driver side view mirror stuck issue fixed and they put in the notes that they re-filled all my tires during repair service allegedly as reqd. by some CA law. Later that week I got an alert that my tire pressure was low and had to get it air pumped so obviously they didn't do that despite having claimed t…

> More concerning is that Tesla denying this was ever reported to them. This is how Tesla reacts to all bad publicity. Bad review on battery life comes out? Data dump indicating the reviewer might've done something wrong. Accident? Statistical dump showing that most cars don't do this. I like this technique more than generic "we can't comment" responses, but I'm pretty confident they heavily cherry pick, looking for…

Post by m_mueller » Sat, Mar 31, 2018, 8:20 AM UTC

eanzenberg wrote: post #237

WhompingWindows wrote: post #169

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Your numbers about error percentiles don't make sense. Ideally, you'd want an outcome measure like fatalities per million miles, accidents per 100k miles, not "% error" which is vague. Furthermore, look at the actual data we have right now. SDC makers actually put out data in California about their "disengagement rate" which is how many time the human drivers took over from the software. Waymo have steadily increased…

That's, actually pretty damn terrible. 1 disengage per 5.5k miles is roughly 1 accident per 5.5k miles if the driver is not paying attention. Look at the Uber accident cam video pointed at the driver. This is the attention levels of drivers in so-called "self-driving cars."